International Racketeers

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S. Insaf
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International Racketeers

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:02 pm

Dawoodi Bohras are becoming International Racketeers
Fake note racket: ISI man held in Ahmedabad


While the Godhra residents, Mehdi Hasan Dalal and Taher Abbas Peeplodawala are still struggling in Jail, according to a report in The Times of India 14-08-2009 one more Dawoodi Bohra, Asghar Ali a native of Godhra was caught in Ahmedabad for his involvement in International fake note racket.

Ahmedabad: A big-ticket fake currency dealer and suspected agent of Inter-Services Intelligence of Pakistan was nabbed by anti- terrorist squad (ATS), Gujarat, on Wednesday.
Asgar Ali Abuli, 47, a native of Godhra, had been to Pakistan and Bangladesh before settling down in Ahmedabad two years ago. Bogus currency worth Rs. 1.35 lakh was seized from his residence at Shah-e-Alam in Ahmedabad.

ATS officials, describing him as a 'biv catch', said Asgar Ali was the distributor of fake notes across India. ATS had busted his ring in July and had arrested six persons so far. Altogether the cops seized fake notes worth Rs. 10.25 lakh from the gang.

Ajay Tomar, inspector general of police (ATS), said the team found 35 fake notes of Rs.1,000 denomination and 200 notes of Rs 500 denomination from his house. The notes are extremely well made and have been sourced from Pakistan. "We also found some incriminating documents that establish his links with ISI operatives in Pakistan and Bangladesh," Tomar said.
Asgar Ali is a partner in Arabian Gulf Chemicals in Dubai. ATS has proof that he used to get directions from ISI officials through internet and through other communication channels.
Ali has extensively toured India and had circulated fake notes in Surat, Ujjain, Delhi, Patna, Kolkata, Amritsar and other cities over the past four years, said Tomar.

Two bogus passports found
Asgar Ali Abuli studied up to class V at Godhra before his father migrated to Karachi in 1972. He was dropped out of college after first year. He then became a citizen of Pakistan in 1977 and went to Dubai to work. He returned to Pakistan in 1994 where he was arrested in a fake bearer certificate scam. In Karachi jail, he came into contact with ISI which got interested in his Indian background. After his release, he returned to India with his family in 1998. He stayed in Godhra for some years, providing his Indian domicile. In 2002, after the Gujarat riots, he went to Bangladesh illegally. He got a fake Bangladesh passport issued and used it to frequently visit Pakistan and Dubai. He reappeared in Godhra in 2005 and moved to Ahmedabad in 2007. He also has a fake Indian passport in the name of Lokhandwala Asgar Abuli.

aziz
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Unread post by aziz » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:44 pm

Since you progs claim to be the true dawoodi bohras as per the name of this website this people must be part of your group,with you and asger as their leaders

SBM
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Unread post by SBM » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:32 pm

Hey Aziz
Shaukat Sarkar who was a Shaikh and was close to KOTHARI goona and has many apartment in Sarker Tower given to Syedna and his Kothari Shezadaas had supari on his head and he was shot in Mumbai and he and his family are very close to KOTHARI GOONS rather than progressive.
How about Syedna's Grand Son who was in news with crores of rupees and staged a kidnapping drama (story appeared in Mid-Day) and Kothar refused to co-operate wtih Police about his whereabout. How about Syedna himself was accused of Smuggling Diamonds and banned by African Country.
So Aziz go and do the home work

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:35 pm

aziz wrote:Since you progs claim to be the true dawoodi bohras as per the name of this website this people must be part of your group,with you and asger as their leaders
There cannot be a better leader then your kothar who are 'purana chawal' / 'purana paapi' in anti nationalist activities. Did you forget the millions of dollars embezzlement in africa due to which your master was denied entry in that country for a few years and the case where one kothari goon was caught smuggling diamonds in his pagdi and even the arrest of Sheikh Fakhrudin Lakdawala who was caught with unaccounted millions at the Mumbai airport (the amount was alleged to have been carried on behalf of mazoon saab). So you see the real mafias are the kotharis and not the sicillian clan and the headquarters are at Badri/Saifee Mahal and not Italy. There are scores of other examples also. Hence get your facts right.

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:45 pm

See the following story about the forged kidnapping story, it is his grand nephew not son
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2004/dec/99041.htm

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:49 am

Brother Aziz
To make your doubt clear I am posting the earlier report of two Dawoodi Bohras of Godhara,Mehdi Hasan Moiz Dalal and Taher Abbas Piplodawala

Corrupted by the excessive luxury enjoyed by the priestly class, Dawoodi Bohras are adopting easy illegal way to get rich
Dawoodi Bohras involved in Fake Currency Racket caught by the Godhara Police
Fake currency was printed at Hasan Peer Saheb's Dargah at Delmal village

-Reported with photographs by Panchmahal Vartaman - 19-03-2009


Two Dawoodi Bohras of Godhara, Mehdi Hasan Moiz Dalal and Taher Abbas Piplodawala are arrested by Godhara police and put in Jail for their involvement in a racket of printing fake currency notes.

What is most shocking is that the fake notes were printed at Dargah of Hasan Peersaheb in Delmal Village in Chanasma district of Gujarat, and the Vali-Mulla of Dargah of Hasan Peer Saheb was allegedly found hand-in-glows with these criminals.

On 18th March 2009 two Dawoodi Bohras of Godhara, Mehdi Hasan Moiz Dalal with fake currency notes of Rs. 100 worth one lakh of rupees and one mastermind of this racket Suresh Vadgaonkar with fake currency notes of Rs. 100 worth two lakh of rupees were caught by Godhara Police. These notes were of 4 A.B. series.

According to the police these fake currency were being printed at Hasan Peer Saheb Dargah in Delmal village in Chanasma district of Gujarat.

First these criminals scanned the design of Rs. 100 currency notes from the Website of State Bank of India through Goggles. Then they prepared the CDs by copying the design on computer belonging to one Kamlesh Dodhia in Kalawada village. Mehdi Hasan Moiz Dalal went to Bombay and purchased a colour computer in Rs. 25,000 and brought it to Godhara.

According to information given by the Godhara police they started printing fake currency notes of Rs. 100 dominations of 4 AB series with the help of this colour printer using H.P. brand print paper.

Then the mastermind, Suresh Vadgaonkar took them to Ahmedabad, hired a room in Raj Palace Guest House of Ahmedabad and did proper cutting. Then he shifted to Swagat Guest House of Godhara and carried on further cutting work. This fact has been revealed after investigation by the police.

On 13th March 2009 the Survey suns Squad of Godhara Police raided the house of Mehdi Hasan Moiz Dalal staying near Iqbal School in Boharwad area of Godhara and caught the color printer and CDs used for printing these fake currency notes.

The Godhara Police got a hint about this racket and on 13th February 2009 arrested Mehdi Hasan Moiz Dalal of Godhara and Suresh Vadgaonkar of Rajkot with one lakh rupees worth of fake currency notes of Rs. 100 dominations, which were circulating in the market.

It is disclosed by the culprits that after printing at Hasan Peer Saheb Dargah in Delmal village in Chanasma district of Gujarat the fake currency of Rs. 100 worth Rs. 2 lakhs Mehdi Hasan Moiz Dalal came back to Godhara with his color printer and CDs. This color printer and CDs were then were caught by the police on 13 March 2009 in a raid on Mehdi Hasan Moiz Dalal's house.

One more Dawoodi Bohra co-culprit, Taher Abbas Piplodwala was caught by the police when he was trying to escape in Godhara. These culprits are in Jail as on now. They have pilled beans and said they carried on this work in the collaboration of Vali Mulla Saheb of Hasan Peer Saheb's Darghah.

As revealed during the police investigation this racket was going on since last six months at Hasan Peer Saheb's Dargah in Delmal village.
According to the police apprehension this racket of fake currency has spread up to Dahod in Gujarat.

In a recent incident on 18th March 2009 two Dawoodi Bohra businessmen, Juzer Mohsin vohra and Mansoor Ali Moiz Lakdawala were caught and jailed in Vankaner village of Gujarat as they were found involved in gambling though there is a ban on gambling and liquor in Gujarat.

Dear brother Aziz,
Please do not shut up your eyes. Our Dawoodi Bohras are reported almost every day for their involvement in gambling, fake note printing, fraud and murder. It is high time you should be worried for the degeneration of a fine community.

aziz
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Unread post by aziz » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:27 am

what has kothar got to do with this criminals,so what if they were bohras they are human and make mistakes and must be punished hence the jail,there is nothing wrong with that but what you are doing is that because of them, a few individuals the whole bohra community is corrupt,this is wrong and misguided

they should be punished for their wrongdoings if guilty and be jailed also.and come out rehabilitated as better humans and bohras......

but at least they will be punished for a short time and will be free, think what will happen to you after you die the punishment will be worse and forever,so stop worrying too much about a few individuals and first think for yourself and your punishment

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Unread post by accountability » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:44 pm

Very strange analogy in your above post. You are ready to forgive for criminal deeds of these culprits, but then you take godliness in your hand, and mete out sentences which you even do not know may be yours. I do concur that few individuals should not represent the whole community. Their deeds are personal and they are responsible for it. But in your earlier post you jumped and started blaming without any ground.

But here lies a very important point and disturbing trend. we as a community is losing the real moral ground, our leaders are not not very keen about morality apart from rhetorics, every thing centres around money they dont care if it is ill gotten. Even the brain washed bohras know it that the criterea is total submission and loyalty and nothing else matters. whatever they do after that is covered and carries no penalties. they think just because they paid a hefty amount and gave their unquestioned allegiance their accountability is done away. Take your example, as soon as you read the above news you jumped without reason, instead of logically countering it you started abusing others. When it did not work and facts had you caught, you started acting like god and announcing punishment which you may be subjected to. Try to reform yourself, be honest and genuine in approach, this will not only make you feel good, simultaneously it will help you become a rational and straight person.

You will start thinking before committing any crime.

aziz
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Unread post by aziz » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:26 pm

Hey dude why dont repeat the the message for your prog spokesman insaf he started it,everytime something minor happens anywhere its him who blows it out of proportion and starts his mischief with wrong and lying posts,
my reply was specific for him only

ghulam muhammed
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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:36 pm

aziz wrote:starts his mischief with wrong and lying posts,
Now dude what is wrong in the post and how do you conclude that is it a lie ??? Mr.Insaf has only reproduced the news article which appeared in the local newspapers and its not his own figment of imagination. If at all the report is wrong then you and other like minded people should sue the newspaper and demand an apology instead of taking out your frustration on an individual.

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:31 am

Brother Aziz,
You said as your first reaction:
Since you progs claim to be the true dawoodi bohras as per the name of this website this people must be part of your group,with you and asger as their leaders
Will you now withdraw and regret your comments?

aziz
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Unread post by aziz » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:53 am

You are the one making all false claims,you have claimed that present dai(nauzubillah) is unfit,and the progs are true dawoodi bohras, and then you produce news articles claiming that dawoodi bohras are conmen,
so the logical explanation is that you progs are conmen and everybody knows who te leaders are

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:04 pm

Bro Aziz,

In your exercise to bypass the truth you have missed out on a very important point with regard to the subject post. With regard to the anti national activities of 2 bohras there is one very important aspect to the whole story i.e. the involvement of the "vali mullah" and the place where these unlawful activities were carried out, the dargah premises of Hasanpir saheb. Needless to say that the mulla is appointed by kothar and he acts as their represantative with all the powers given to him by your kothar mubarak. Hence by virtue of he being the selected represantative of kothar it becomes the moral responsibility of kothar to either own up the unlawful acts or take strict action against the concerned mulla and it seems that neither of it has been done. It also speaks of the lethargy on part of kothar in selecting a person to occupy an important post.

aziz
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Unread post by aziz » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:09 am

according to your logic if a vali mullah of some place does something its kothar fault because kothar appointed him,in the same vein then in most muslim countries imams are preaching hatred and violence so is this allahs fault because they do it in masjid and should allah take responsibility

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Unread post by Gulf » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:41 am

Be noted that,

The fact is that... more than 50% of dawoodi bohra resides in the city of Godhra are unbelivers of aqa moula or are prgressives or just having negligence of any farman that issued by Aqa Moula. Hence your headline line towards our community in this subject is rejected.

better luck next time

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Unread post by jayanti » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:44 am

He might be progressive and Mr Insaaf might knew him.Mr Insaaf can you throw some light in to this matter.

ghulam muhammed
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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:17 pm

aziz wrote:according to your logic if a vali mullah of some place does something its kothar fault because kothar appointed him,in the same vein then in most muslim countries imams are preaching hatred and violence so is this allahs fault because they do it in masjid and should allah take responsibility
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Your comparision is faulty, it is like comparing oranges to an apple. With regard to kothar vis a vis the vali mulla, kindly note that an administration and its leaders are responsible for the actions of their subordinates. If a police constable is caught taking bribe then the senior inspector of the respective police station is questioned on the follow up action. The same rules apply to any department/govt etc. This is known as accountability which must be something very new for you because it has been drilled in the minds of gullible bohras that their masters are not accountable for their actions/deeds. However if any mulla would have done some good work then kothar would have jumped to hog the limelight and take full credit conveniently bypassing the mulla.

In the same manner when the slaves give wajebat to their master then they are given dua "Tame mane ghani wajebat aapi, hu ghano khush thayo. Allah tamne barkat aapse" thereby pocketing the money for himself and conveniently transfering the responsibility of giving barkat to Allah. If at all something backfires then there is another quote "Aa to tamara gunah na sabab thayu" thereby shrugging off the responsibility. This is called "Chit bhi mera pat bhi mera" (Heads I win, tails you loose).

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:49 pm

aziz,

You seem to be very naive and new at this. Allah hasn't appointed any Imam or any person speaking or saying anything in the masjids. The only person appointed by Allah was the prophet (saw). Everyone is accountable for his or her own actions. Allah says he will punish those who misbehave. Is kothar going to do the same? They can't because they are the biggest culprits themselves.

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Unread post by Sajid Zafar » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:46 am

Saifuddin Bhai:

The content of your post looks like an official statement issued by the Indian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Please provide the following to validate your claim:

Proofs that ISI is actually involved?

Proof those names of people included in your post are actually Dawoodi Bohras?

And last but not least, it is all publicity stunts to make fool the masses. It does not suite person like you stature to implicate Bohras with ISI and Pak. Govt. (right now they have enough domestic problems to deal with) and propagate matters without authentications.

Personally, I don't think Kothar and its associate can do such lousy things when they have enough in their plate.

aziz
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Unread post by aziz » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:30 pm

This is how his mind works he searches for articles written in unknown urdu,gujarati magsand blows it always out of proportion by misleading facts and figures ,
a long long time ago somebody called iblis did the same to adam sa

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Unread post by canadian » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:03 pm

From the uncouth manner and the language they use, I assume Aqua Moula Zindabad, Aziz and Jayanti are "Bhaisahebs" or at the least "Royal Shahzadas"?