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Bohras are rich and generous. How about building First class education Institutes where Bohras and other Nuslims get lions share. Would it be better use of Gold collected for Zari?

Wasalaam

How about restricting the Dareesees and Jamaat Jamaans which are now held at the drop of "pagdi". The huge amounts now being spent on these wasteful activities all over the Bohri world can be positively and advantageously used for educating the poor Bohri deserving children who cannot go to school because they cannot afford the fees and related educated costs. This will be the best investment in the youths instead of creating obesity and other ailments caused by the rich kharaas, mithaas dishes now being consumed by the Bohris and being regurgicated as human waste!!!

Br.Saif The only way of survival for a cult is to keep the flock dumb.Do you seriously think kothar is stupid?

seeker110 wrote:Br.Saif The only way of survival for a cult is to keep the flock dumb.Do you seriously think kothar is stupid?

Bro seeker110,

The kothar is not dumb and stupid but the abdes definately are, "is duniya mein bewaqufo ki kami nahi hai, ek dhundo hazaar milte hai".

From one of the many, many Kothari self-praising, self-massaging propaganda websites - "barotyass" arse, may be!!!

How many deserving Bohri students can we educate instead of these decadent 100 darisees.? What a waste in recycling the rich unhealthy food(s) into human waste/fertilizer?


Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:57:46 +0400
Subject: [ZenInfosys] Malad (anjumane burhani)
From: zeninfosys@gmail.com

Salaam,


3rd october 2010 Hizbe Nasheteen (Malad) Janab Skh Abdeali jamali (Malad Aamil ) ni raza si 100 Daris at a time saghla mumenin na ghare organize kari rahya chhe. saghla na ghare Zakereen & Sadar mojud rehse insha allah. Jaman vaste centers rakhvama aavse. Khuda Hizbe Nasheteen Comity ne khidmat karvani yari aape.

" HIZBUL ZAKEREEN OF MUMBAI, SUBERBAN , WESTERN , HARBOUR , PUNE & NASHIK JE SAGHLA AA EVENT MA PARTICIPATE THAVA CHAHTA HOI TE BHAI HAKIMUDDIN BHATIA NE 9892140022 PAR CONTACT KARE.. WE NEED ATLST 120 ZAKEREENS"

Khuda aqa mola ni umr sharif ne ta roze qayamat daraz karjo aami

Abde Sayedana
Hakimuddin Bhatia

saif wrote:From one of the many, many Kothari self-praising, self-massaging propaganda websites - "barotyass" arse, may be!!!

How many deserving Bohri students can we educate instead of these decadent 100 darisees.? What a waste in recycling the rich unhealthy food(s) into human waste/fertilizer?

you should have been in Moula Ali(as) time and told him the same when he used to feed every one in Kufa with thousand acres of land tilted, i have never heard that Moula Ali(as) opened much of schools with that money.

aqs,

Sorry but how dumb you can get is anybody's guess..??!!

Did Maula Ali live in a 'palace', did he rode in 'mercedes', did he use 'areoplanes', did he used 'best doctors on earth', did his family lived like 'royals' ........... did he, did he .........

Abdes please use your brains, that is if you still have them ........ else instead of beating your chests, beat your heads for a change, it may help!!

Is this abdeali Jamali the same aamil from Nashik?

If yes then this jamaat is in big trouble.He is a big crook and just knows the right way to extort money.

I know him because he was suspended for a few years by kothar for some reasons.

JC wrote:aqs,
Sorry but how dumb you can get is anybody's guess..??!!

JC
feelings are mutual.

Did Maula Ali live in a 'palace', did he rode in 'mercedes', did he use 'areoplanes', did he used 'best doctors on earth', did his family lived like 'royals' ........... did he, did he .........

and how were fatimid Imams living?
1)when Imam Tayeb(as) was born Imam Amir sent a mule covered with jewels in whole cairo to demostrate how happy he was, did Prophet(saw) or Moula Ali(as) did any thing similar when Imamain were born

2) You can see silk cloth with gold embroidery that Fatimid Imam wore in cairo museums. What clothes Prophet(saw) or Moula Ali(as) wore

3) Mercedes and Airoplanes were not invented other wise they would have used for sure.

Interesting how even sensible people are driven to justify opulence, extravagance and waste! Of course, they are driven not by religion or faith which have always emphasised simplicity and compassion. Instead their motive is more to do with themselves than anything else. They want to justify to themselves that there is nothing wrong with Sayedna's conduct and lifestyle. They are defending an ideology, a case of "my creed right or wrong". By invoking the imams they forget that the Fatimid imam were rulers of empires and behaved like emperors "in the secular sense" as was the norm and expectation. The Dai, first of all is not an Imam, and secondly has no empire even though he labels himself as Sultan and has turned Bohras into his abject subjects. Still it does not change the fact that he is only a religious leader and should behave as such - with humility and simplicity, in tune with the times. The Fatimid empire is rotting in the dust heap of history, and the Kothar's attempt to recreate it is not only cartoonish but also cruel.

aqs wrote:and how were fatimid Imams living?
1)when Imam Tayeb(as) was born Imam Amir sent a mule covered with jewels in whole cairo to demostrate how happy he was, did Prophet(saw) or Moula Ali(as) did any thing similar when Imamain were born

2) You can see silk cloth with gold embroidery that Fatimid Imam wore in cairo museums. What clothes Prophet(saw) or Moula Ali(as) wore

3) Mercedes and Airoplanes were not invented other wise they would have used for sure.

If the above is the case then why doesnt burhanuddin saab mention it in any of his vayez or majlis but goes on harping..... "Mola Ali (a.s.) jav (barley) no aato phaakta hata, Imam Hussain (a.s.) karbala maa mazlum hata", probably he is keeping this card up his sleeve and will take it out when the dumb abdes become a little smart and start raising questions with regard to his extravagant and lavish lifestyle.

You know whether the Fatimid Imams had gold embroidery or not - it still doesn't change anything today.
Burhanuddin and his clan preach daily about austerity and
the mazloomy of Ahle Bait, and humility, and simplicity. In one of his Muharram vaez a couple of years ago he advised a simple lifestyle. This is typical of a hypocrite who does
the exact opposite of what he preaches.
The pics of him in Yemen show he and his be-turbaned offspring inside a plastic enclosed viewing platform, while HORDES of people stand out in the Yemeni sun.
A simple man, like Jesus, would have sat on the hillside and talked to his people. Burhanuddin acts like he's a lost son from Yemen and is returning in triumph. He's not even descended from Yemenis. His family came from Hindu merchants - a group of VERY shrewd businessmen.

There are flowers all over his car, multiple bands playing (yet the Bohris are discouraged from listening to
gaanaas), and it's a carefully crafted parade where TUS winds up arriving and taking his throne while people lose their senses.

And very shortly, quite a good deal of Yemeni money - a lot of it in cash. For mere ordinary Bohras, even their money isn't good enough. It has to be put into a pretty little envelope. I wonder if they feel guilty if they just take money without an envelope - or do they still realize it's a kind of bribe either way and then go ahead and take it? At least a real bribe you can GET something for your money.

JC wrote:aqs,

Sorry but how dumb you can get is anybody's guess..??!!

Did Maula Ali live in a 'palace', did he rode in 'mercedes', did he use 'areoplanes', did he used 'best doctors on earth', did his family lived like 'royals' ........... did he, did he .........

Abdes please use your brains, that is if you still have them ........ else instead of beating your chests, beat your heads for a change, it may help!!

Well..all the mercedes and jaguars MOula(tus) owns are gifted............and if wright bros were born before moula ali moula ali would have travelled in planes instead of horses..........they used the means of transport available then.

Humsafar wrote:The Fatimid empire is rotting in the dust heap of history, and the Kothar's attempt to recreate it is not only cartoonish but also cruel.

is that what u think of present day jamea anwar,akhmar,lulluva and juyushi?

Safiuddin wrote:You know whether the Fatimid Imams had gold embroidery or not - it still doesn't change anything today.
Burhanuddin and his clan preach daily about austerity and
the mazloomy of Ahle Bait, and humility, and simplicity. In one of his Muharram vaez a couple of years ago he advised a simple lifestyle. This is typical of a hypocrite who does
the exact opposite of what he preaches.

you are too bogged down with hatred to see simplicity in things, to abdes its the most austere and simple life possible in todays world that Syedna(tus) lives. i agree few kotharis are opulent in their appearance

The pics of him in Yemen show he and his be-turbaned offspring inside a plastic enclosed viewing platform, while HORDES of people stand out in the Yemeni sun.

and how do you expect a 99 year old man to address his audience, and check that car again how many people were in it, hardly few. rest every one was down

A simple man, like Jesus, would have sat on the hillside and talked to his people. Burhanuddin acts like he's a lost son from Yemen and is returning in triumph. He's not even descended from Yemenis. His family came from Hindu merchants - a group of VERY shrewd businessmen.

and how old was Isa (as) when he died (youngest among all the prophets), hardly 35 year old.

again this topic of Hindu came, when a person converts to Islam all his previous sins are pardoned and he is no more a Hindu but a muslim, so descendants of Muslims are muslims. give me some time and i will print the whole shajarah of Syedna(tus) to clear your doubts

There are flowers all over his car, multiple bands playing (yet the Bohris are discouraged from listening to
gaanaas), and it's a carefully crafted parade where TUS winds up arriving and taking his throne while people lose their senses.

so how do you welcome the guest, and when that guest is the present dai.

bands are playing music which is very much allowed in Islam and Islam prohibits songs due to lyrics, their is vast diff between songs and music.

ghulam muhammed wrote:

aqs wrote:and how were fatimid Imams living?
1)when Imam Tayeb(as) was born Imam Amir sent a mule covered with jewels in whole cairo to demostrate how happy he was, did Prophet(saw) or Moula Ali(as) did any thing similar when Imamain were born

2) You can see silk cloth with gold embroidery that Fatimid Imam wore in cairo museums. What clothes Prophet(saw) or Moula Ali(as) wore

3) Mercedes and Airoplanes were not invented other wise they would have used for sure.

If the above is the case then why doesnt burhanuddin saab mention it in any of his vayez or majlis but goes on harping..... "Mola Ali (a.s.) jav (barley) no aato phaakta hata, Imam Hussain (a.s.) karbala maa mazlum hata", probably he is keeping this card up his sleeve and will take it out when the dumb abdes become a little smart and start raising questions with regard to his extravagant and lavish lifestyle.

This line of reasoning does not suit you Br.

abdes are too smart to understand right from wrong, its progs who are in constant allusion that they have found the slip in religion where they can accuse present establishment, very conveniently forgetting that these kind of allegations are part and parcel of deen, people come and go accusing Haq na saheb, we have seen it from Prophet(saw) time to present, nothing new.

you are too bogged down with hatred to see simplicity in things, to abdes its the most austere and simple life possible in todays world that Syedna(tus) lives. i agree few kotharis are opulent in their appearance

Charging millions of rupees for lavish meals called ziafat. Selling titles for lakhs of rupees without even varifying the credentials and background of individuals. Going for expensive hunting trips to Africa. Travelling in chartered flights all around the globe. Roaming around in some of the most expensive cars that money can buy. Living in palatial mansions. Having billions in swiss account. Asking his followers to donate as much as they can and whenever they can including their skins to him and his family. Living under extreme opulance even at this age when 30-40% of our community lives in poverty. You are right, when you say that our dear Syedna lives an austere life of a saint.

Safiuddin wrote:A simple man, like Jesus, would have sat on the hillside and talked to his people. Burhanuddin acts like he's a lost son from Yemen and is returning in triumph.

hehe ^^

aqs wrote:and how do you expect a 99 year old man to address his audience, and check that car again how many people were in it, hardly few. rest every one was down

I knew, you were delusional, but didn't no you were a lier also!!

If you have ever wondered ( and I hope you have) about the pathetic shape that Muslims are in, you need only look at your comments above. A serious issue regarding discrimination against Muslims has been reduced to petty mudslinging aimed at fellow Muslims, including the poster himself. Absolutely shameful....

And the fart bank is setting a fine example by not participating in the mud slinging himself!!

aqs wrote: and how do you expect a 99 year old man to address his audience, and check that car again how many people were in it, hardly few. rest every one was down

I want to ask you a personal question.. When someone asks, about YOUR age.. Do you give it according to the Arabic calender or English??