Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Dbc1 wrote:47 ziafats in just 7 days... That's crazy.. With average amount of 21 lakhs per ziafat and selling of titles separately .. The Kothar roughly made 10 crores .. That's insane..

I hears in one of the communal gatherings.. 52 crores were given to qardan hasana. What happens to such money.. Do they reach the needy ?

to needy ah just joking

Dbc1 wrote: 47 ziafats in just 7 days... That's crazy.. With average amount of 21 lakhs per ziafat and selling of titles separately .. The Kothar roughly made 10 crores .. That's insane..

Bro Dbc1,

Have you gone crazy ????? 21 lakhs of the Dai's Ziafat ????........... My dear, nowadays the mansoos charges anything between 27 to 52 lakhs for a ziafat. The damages for the Dai's ziafat is anywhere between Rs.1.52 crores to Rs.2.52 crores and the 'Sheikh' title is sold for Rs.52 lakhs !!!

Now open the dictionary and replace the word 'insane' with something else

Ridiculous .

Even that won't suffice.. It's Actually absurd more than the receiving the cash but fir the one offering..

How can any one just give away all of it for a stamp of dai ziafat. Does it even promise any wordly gains??

Absolutely nothing !

Recently was in a social discussion with my abde relatives. One of my devout abde uncle shares in the discussion. He wishes to have his young son married soon at the hands of Mufaddal Bhaisaab, because Rates are less now.

“Dekh tere Insaan ki haalat kyaa ho gayi bhagwaan; Kitna Bewakoof bana Insaan”

humanbeing wrote:Recently was in a social discussion with my abde relatives. One of my devout abde uncle shares in the discussion. He wishes to have his young son married soon at the hands of Mufaddal Bhaisaab, because Rates are less now.

“Dekh tere Insaan ki haalat kyaa ho gayi bhagwaan; Kitna Bewakoof bana Insaan”

Why is this craze for marriage at the Hands of Maulana TUS oy Mansoos TUS? Is it anything different than at the hands of Amil?

Muslim First wrote: Why is this craze for marriage at the Hands of Maulana TUS oy Mansoos TUS? Is it anything different than at the hands of Amil?

It is like a "Status Symbol" for abdes !

One can guage the extent of the dai's fragile health and pains from an incident wherein the womenfolk of a bohra family who recently gave ziafat to the dai were strictly instructed by the zadas to remove their bangles, watches and finger rings while doing salams to the dai and the kiss on dai's hand whilst doing salams should be 'feather touch' as the slightest pressure or friction causes him great pains. Even then, abdes refuse to acknowledge the dai's extreme painful conditions as they enjoy his palkhi rides and ziafats which are increasing day by day to proportions as never seen before.

MARATHON ZIAFATS IN "SHAWWAL"

The Dai took Ziafat from Hasanbhai Mansoorbhai Kundawala on 11th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Shk Shabbir Ibrahimbhai Yamani (Aamil Porbandar) on 16th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Shk Moiz Shk Salehbhai Rampurawala (Kothar) on 16th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Hadiyat to Shk Hasanbhai Pratapgarhwala on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Moallemeen Moallemaat on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Qutbuddin Maudiwala,watan sagwara of Kuwait on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Juzarbhai Yusufbhai Imani on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Murtuza Abbasbhai Paliwalla on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Huzefa Najambhai Kagalwala (Coimbatore) on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Loka Bros. (Burhani Tec) on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Mafsusiyat to M.Haiderbhai Lokawala, watan sagwara, Kuwait on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Burhanudin Zainudinbhai Vardawala, watan sagwara, Kuwait on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Sabak Halqa Mukasir saheb on 19th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Fakhrudin Haiderali Antriwala, watan Dungarpur, Kuwait on 19th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Hadiyat to Hakimuddinbhai Badri of Secundrabad on 19th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Badri Family of Secundrabad on 19th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Hamid Family (Malaysia) on 21st Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Abdulhusein Barbhaya on 21st Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Shk Mohamed AND Shk Saifuddin Barbhaya on 21st Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Fakhrudin Alihusein Ezzi (Chikna), watan Partapur, Kuwait on 22nd Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Moizbhai Taiyabali Hamid, watan Dungarpur, Kuwait on 22nd Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Fakhrudin Ebrahimjee Hajee on 22nd Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Kauserbhai Shabbirbhai Petrolwala of Dahod on 23rd Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Shk Shabbir Abbasbhai Badri, watan sagwara, Kuwait on 25th Shawwal.

TOTAL 9 ZIAFATS ON 18TH SHAWWAL.

bro gm,

let me state here most categorically, that you are doing a sterling job by posting the nefarious activities of the kothar and doing an amazing service by copy pasting the huge lists of ziyafats which have become nothing more than a shameless mercenary exercise in fleecing hordes of gullible abdes.

it is no easy task combing through the various sycophantic abde sites and compiling these lists. you have defeated their attempts at censorship by using your ejamaat id and connections within saifee mahal. keep up the good work!

Al Zulfiqar wrote: you have defeated their attempts at censorship by using your ejamaat id and connections within saifee mahal. keep up the good work!

Bro Al Zulfiqar,

Thanks for the appreciation and as you rightly said that it was not an easy task to get the details after the kothar sponsored websites were blocked for public viewing except the e-jamat cardholders. As you are aware that there are hordes of disgruntled and disillusioned e-jamat abdes who want to speak out against these unethical practices of kothar but due to social pressures they are unable to do it. Hence many such abdes help me out by sending me detailed and specific details of this ziafat scam with a request to kindly make it public. It was surprising when I realised that it was actually the e-jamat abdes who were more keen on exposing this racket rather then the other way round !!

you are right in terming this as a 'racket'. its a most nefarious and immoral racket. but with one glaring difference. this racket is conducted under the guise of islam and our deen. this religious overtone helps spread a warm blanket of self-gratification, almost like the mob who has just returned from witnessing a poor accused adulteress stoned to death, all bathed in self-righteousness,

no matter how the gullible fool abdes want to present it, to me this is like the warmth one feels having inadvertently pissed into one's blanket in deep stupor. the warmth is woefully short, it is messy and results in tremendous guilt and loss of self-esteem.

This Ziafat scam/racket is the brainchild of the wicked zaadas whose unsatiated greed for money knows no bounds as their only aim is to generate as much wealth as possible in the tenure of the 52nd dai whose charisma is far above the mansoos. There is a famous gujarati saying that "Marelo haathi pan sawa lakh no" and this case, the indisposed and sick dai is worth billions hence 'Make hay while the sun shines'.

There was a time when ziafats were practically unheard of and the only thing in vogue was qadambosi at saifee mahal. Abdes used to line up at saifee mahal almost on a daily basis and offer salams ranging from Rs.21 to Rs.101 in a sealed envelope which were not screened prior to qadambosi. The system was then changed lately and a minimum amount of salams was fixed at the whims and fancies of the zaadas. On the dai's recent pune trip, abdes were ordered to offer a fixed amount of Rs.5,200/- per person for qadambosi and the crowd was never less then a thousand people on any single day. Even this huge amount collected in a span of around an hour did not satisfy the zaadas greed.

Hence they came up with this Ziafat racket wherein the dai rakes in crores in a matter of minutes. The normal ziafats then turned to 'Marathon Ziafats' wherein the dai takes around 7 to 10 ziafats per evening. Hence the amount accumulated by way of qadambosis of a 1000 abdes can be earned by a single hadiyat/mafsusiyat which sells around Rs.52 lakhs plus the time consumed is a fraction of what it is in qadambosi of 1000 abdes. It also reduces the manpower required to control a crowd of a 1000 people as compared to a hadiyat which consists of a single person or at the most 5 family members which is also in the case of karodo rupiyawali ziafat.

The Ambanis, tatas, birlas and even bill gates and warren buffet need to seriously take lessons from these zaadas !!!

ghulam muhammed wrote:This Ziafat scam/racket is the brainchild of the wicked zaadas whose unsatiated greed for money knows no bounds as their only aim is to generate as much wealth as possible in the tenure of the 52nd dai whose charisma is far above the mansoos. There is a famous gujarati saying that "Marelo haathi pan sawa lakh no" and this case, the indisposed and sick dai is worth billions hence 'Make hay while the sun shines'.

There was a time when ziafats were practically unheard of and the only thing in vogue was qadambosi at saifee mahal. Abdes used to line up at saifee mahal almost on a daily basis and offer salams ranging from Rs.21 to Rs.101 in a sealed envelope which were not screened prior to qadambosi. The system was then changed lately and a minimum amount of salams was fixed at the whims and fancies of the zaadas. On the dai's recent pune trip, abdes were ordered to offer a fixed amount of Rs.5,200/- per person for qadambosi and the crowd was never less then a thousand people on any single day. Even this huge amount collected in a span of around an hour did not satisfy the zaadas greed.

Hence they came up with this Ziafat racket wherein the dai rakes in crores in a matter of minutes. The normal ziafats then turned to 'Marathon Ziafats' wherein the dai takes around 7 to 10 ziafats per evening. Hence the amount accumulated by way of qadambosis of a 1000 abdes can be earned by a single hadiyat/mafsusiyat which sells around Rs.52 lakhs plus the time consumed is a fraction of what it is in qadambosi of 1000 abdes. It also reduces the manpower required to control a crowd of a 1000 people as compared to a hadiyat which consists of a single person or at the most 5 family members which is also in the case of karodo rupiyawali ziafat.

The Ambanis, tatas, birlas and even bill gates and warren buffet need to seriously take lessons from these zaadas !!!

I think these techniques of looting money from abdes are may be same as the phero kings of egypt adopted in ancient Egypt.

ghulam muhammed wrote:MARATHON ZIAFATS IN "SHAWWAL"

The Dai took Ziafat from Hasanbhai Mansoorbhai Kundawala on 11th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Shk Shabbir Ibrahimbhai Yamani (Aamil Porbandar) on 16th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Shk Moiz Shk Salehbhai Rampurawala (Kothar) on 16th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Hadiyat to Shk Hasanbhai Pratapgarhwala on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Moallemeen Moallemaat on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Qutbuddin Maudiwala,watan sagwara of Kuwait on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Juzarbhai Yusufbhai Imani on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Murtuza Abbasbhai Paliwalla on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Huzefa Najambhai Kagalwala (Coimbatore) on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Loka Bros. (Burhani Tec) on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Mafsusiyat to M.Haiderbhai Lokawala, watan sagwara, Kuwait on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Burhanudin Zainudinbhai Vardawala, watan sagwara, Kuwait on 18th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Sabak Halqa Mukasir saheb on 19th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Fakhrudin Haiderali Antriwala, watan Dungarpur, Kuwait on 19th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Hadiyat to Hakimuddinbhai Badri of Secundrabad on 19th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Badri Family of Secundrabad on 19th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Hamid Family (Malaysia) on 21st Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Abdulhusein Barbhaya on 21st Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Shk Mohamed AND Shk Saifuddin Barbhaya on 21st Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Fakhrudin Alihusein Ezzi (Chikna), watan Partapur, Kuwait on 22nd Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Moizbhai Taiyabali Hamid, watan Dungarpur, Kuwait on 22nd Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Fakhrudin Ebrahimjee Hajee on 22nd Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Kauserbhai Shabbirbhai Petrolwala of Dahod on 23rd Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Shk Shabbir Abbasbhai Badri, watan sagwara, Kuwait on 25th Shawwal.

TOTAL 9 ZIAFATS ON 18TH SHAWWAL.

Divas adhaar (18) and ziyafat nau (9)
Mola Ali to khaataa sukha jau
Aalishaan pakwaan ane chandi na thaal
Dai Burhanuddin no shahi jalaal

my father used to often say that the best business is religion, esp. the kothar type of business.

in any other business, you run after customers, you cajole them, plead with them, call them saab, keep them happy, treat every customer as king, you do whatever it takes to keep them from going anywhere else. but in the 'kothar business'? well, when a customer (stupid abde) walks in, they make him wait for hours, they insult him, they treat him like a good-for-nothing piece of garbage, they slap him and kick him around, they spit on him, then they demand exorbitant amounts from him in thousands for something which costs pennies, after all this the customer still gives them money, and while leaving he still gets a few well-delivered blows on his backside ...!

wah bhai wah!! isko kehte hai business

ziyafats ziyafats and ziyafats 21 lakhs 52 lakhs itlo paisa logo lave kaha si che koi karzan hasana mangva jaye to ehne 1 lakh bhi na ape ne vahan 30 minutes na 52 lakh api de

THE ROUND OF "MARATHON" ZIAFATS IN SHAWWAL CONTINUES........

The Dai took Ziafat from Taizun and Shk Mustafa (Tricon) on 17th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Faize Hashimi on 17th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Zoebbhai Thekedar of Dungarpur on 19th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Al-Madrasa-tus-Saifiya-tul-Burhania on 23rd Shawwal.

The Dai gave Mafsusiyat to Mohamedhussainbhai Rangwala on 23rd Shawwal.

The Dai gave Mafsusiyat to Fakhrudinbhai Zakir on 23rd Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Shk Hatimali Tinwala on 24th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Shk Taherali Tinwala on 24th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Fakhrudin Zakir and Sons on 24th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Mohamedhussain Rangwala and Sons on 24th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Sirajbhai Mannanbhai Vanwala (Dohadwala) of Chennai on 25th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Hadiyat to Shk Hakimudin Zamirhussain Maimoon, Malaysia on 25th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Hadiyat to Shk Aliasger Qurbanhusain Jesarwala (Head Moallim,Madrasa Jamiya,Abu Dhabi) on 25th Shawwal

The Dai took Ziafat from Noorudinbhai Hatimbhai Lemonwala of Indore on 25th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Hadiyat to Shk Baqirhusain Mukati of Khargone on 26th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Yusufbhai Yakubbhai Poonawala (Burhani Computers) of Dubai on 27th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Mafsusiyat to M.Yusufbhai Yakubbhai Poonawala of Dubai on 27th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M/s.Steelfab Scaffolding & Engg P.Ltd. on 27th Shawwal.

The Dai gave Mafsusiyat to M.Fakhrudin Tayabali Obri, watan sagwara from Kuwait on 28th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Abbasali Abdulhusain Sarwari Nabilal (Udaipurwala) of Dubai on 28th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Marhoom Zoebbhai Tawawala, watan sagwara of Kuwait on 28th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Hussainbhai Jabalawala, watan sagwara of Kuwait on 28th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from 12 MUMEEN from Ratlam on 28th Shawwal.

A few more in the month of Shawwal :-

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Qaidjohar Rangwala on 8th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Madras Mumineens on 26th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from M.Adnanbhai Shk Saifudin Chani on 29th Shawwal.

The Dai took Ziafat from Marhoom Zoebbhai Tawawala, watan sagwara of Kuwait on 28th Shawwal

Ziafat from dead person?

kia bole to zada ka matlab paise ke pooja

Muslim First wrote:

The Dai took Ziafat from Marhoom Zoebbhai Tawawala, watan sagwara of Kuwait on 28th Shawwal

Ziafat from dead person?

if the dai can take salaams from the entire bohra community in the name of the hidden imam, then why not ziyafat from a marhoom?

Ziafat from marhoom, please clarify is the marhoom in janat and did not get a chance to give it to STS since even there there is a long wait since there are dozens of ziafats ?

Or was the marhoom in transit since SMB used to say , hath pakarsi ne ......l and this family did not want to take chances.

What is worrying bohri have started associating ziafats with sawaab.

the marhoom tawawala was only recently deceased and obtained raza for ziyafat from the manhoos, the one with the powers to communicate with the dead.
even the amount of salam was settled by the late tawawala soon after his death, after protracted negotiations with the 53rd. raza was finally granted to the marhoom on his chehlum and while jamat members prayed fateha, the dai enjoyed a lavish ziyafat consisting of 4 kharas, 4 mithaas, while the dead man's rooh was fluttering aas-paas.

WE WILL HAVE TO AGAIN REVISE THE MONTHLY FIGURES OF ZIAFATS, MAFSUSIYATS AND HADIYATS AS THE DAI IS BENT ON BREAKING HIS OWN PREVIOUS RECORDS :-

THE MONTHLY FIGURES FOR THE MONTH OF SHAWWAL ARE AS FOLLOWS :-

NUMBER OF HADIYATS, MAFSUSIYATS.......... 34 (THIRTY FOUR).

NUMBER OF ZIAFATS....................................... 99 (NINETY NINE).

IAM SURE THAT THE DAI MUST HAVE SURELY CROSSED THE 100TH MARK AS WE ARE BOUND TO SKIP SOME ZIAFATS AS NOT ALL OF IT ARE REPORTED BY KOTHAR.

soon a new trend will start. like samuh nikah now there will be samuh ziyafat.

since samuh nikah has now been elevated with the use of selective arabic to 'rasme saify', samuh ziyafat will be referred to as 'rasme burhani'... mass ziyafats of 100 at a time are no longer an impossibility. considering that, it is quite feasible that syedna can have 300 ziyafats in one day, 100 for nashto, 100 in the afternoon and 100 for dinner. whether there is a shortage of rain anywhere or not, it certainly rains (money) in saifee mahal, not only does it rain, it pours, it gets flooded, even the drains and sewers of saifee mahal oftentimes get clogged with money. many zaadas, zaadis and their naunihals live in constant fear of someday being buried alive or getting seriously injured under a hail of coins and gold biscuits if the false ceilings give way.

there will be but a hair-breadth's difference between the two - rasme saify and rasme burhani - anyway - nikah or ziyafat. both involve shafting...

Even more profitable and convenient would be Rasme eBurhani. Where the abde sends the check and the kothar sends a picture of the Dai's feet by email that the abde can then print and kiss or kiss the monitor is you do not have a printer.

Al Zulfiqar wrote: there will be but a hair-breadth's difference between the two - rasme saify and rasme burhani - anyway - nikah or ziyafat. both involve shafting...

Why not create an app for smartphones that
can process the payment and an immediate return pic of
TUS's feet. Then abdes can have the pic on their phone
and just kiss the phone. Since it's virtual reality TUS and Co.
could give a slight discount on the salaam price.

ghulam muhammed wrote:WE WILL HAVE TO AGAIN REVISE THE MONTHLY FIGURES OF ZIAFATS, MAFSUSIYATS AND HADIYATS AS THE DAI IS BENT ON BREAKING HIS OWN PREVIOUS RECORDS :-

THE MONTHLY FIGURES FOR THE MONTH OF SHAWWAL ARE AS FOLLOWS :-

NUMBER OF HADIYATS, MAFSUSIYATS.......... 34 (THIRTY FOUR).

NUMBER OF ZIAFATS....................................... 99 (NINETY NINE).

IAM SURE THAT THE DAI MUST HAVE SURELY CROSSED THE 100TH MARK AS WE ARE BOUND TO SKIP SOME ZIAFATS AS NOT ALL OF IT ARE REPORTED BY KOTHAR.

if you really have sit aand counted all the numbers of zyafats, then hats off to you, you are true loser with lots of patience to waste time on crap.

shukran

anajmi wrote:Even more profitable and convenient would be Rasme eBurhani. Where the abde sends the check and the kothar sends a picture of the Dai's feet by email that the abde can then print and kiss or kiss the monitor is you do not have a printer.

My friend, mein aapko mere posterior ka photo bhejunga, i think you should be happy with that