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Qutbi Bohras

Unread postby voice on Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:32 am

Assalamu aleykum,

It is a true fact that there is no smoke without a fire. Since past few months and after the Toronto and Ujjain episodes, even common Bohras have learnt that inside the Kothar things are not smooth. There is dispute regarding Nass, then there is dispute regarding Saifee Mahal and Sayedna before shifting to Saifee hospital remained for a long time in Khandala.

Mazoon saheb and his family members were absent from this events of grand Milad celebrations also. And the news was out that there are two fractions inside Kothar and after the name of Mazoon saheb Khuzema Bhaisaheb Qutbuddin, they are united under the banner "QUTBI BOHRA".

In spite of big efforts by mansoos to lable himself a legitimate successor, thaali, fabricated mojiza`s etc, it is appearing that a large number of Bohras are not supporting him and are feeling that smoke has started to pollute them. They are looking for that this dictatorship should end and a free and better atmosphere filled with fresh air is need of the hour.

Hope that this " Qutbi Bohra" group become successful in there efforts as they are well equipped with inside management policies and art of managing the community. So at least new dawn filled with new rays will help in gaining true light of knowledge.

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby mnoorani on Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:01 am

Chor ka bhai ghanti chor
Dawat mai machaa hai shor
Mansoos ko pasand air hostess qatari
Aur Mazoon ko , Nafisa Ali

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby lawyer on Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:16 am

why Qutbi bohra leader was silent till now?

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Bohra spring on Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:01 am

Qutbi can see the glitter of gold and smell of money.

Cannot trust them until we see their proposition
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Al Zulfiqar on Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:45 am

qutbi or burhani or muffadali, does it make any difference to slaves who their lord and master is? they are a commodity which can be bought, sold, exchanged, beaten, whipped, tortured, abused, raped and pillaged. all they need is a wily dictator and ringmaster to control them.

koi bhi maalik ho, kya farq padta hai?

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby shabbir4u on Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:08 pm

We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin sahen and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin. Dont care what people say.

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Al Zulfiqar on Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:06 pm

shabbir4u wrote:We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin sahen and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin. Dont care what people say.


shabbir4me,

thank you! that is exactly what i have said in my post above: "koi bhi maalik ho, kya farq padta hai?"

gadhe ka libaas change karo, woh phir bhi gadha hi rehta hai...

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Fateh on Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:24 am

Yes i also heard a rumor that majoon maulla is giving 5 lacs rs. per head to become qutabi bohara in kathiavar.I do not know the fact but something is going on.

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Bohra spring on Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:25 am

Seriously what is Qutbi and company offering that he should get a following ?

Same old same old or he is offering reforms ?
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Bohra spring on Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:28 am

shabbir4u wrote:We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin sahen and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin. Dont care what people say.


Hey look back you will see you are not ALL...just being in the front and screaming does not mean ALL over the World...

I respect your love but please drop the word ALL next time...I would forgive you if you said MANY
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby asad on Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:41 am

Where is Mazoon Sahab?

If he is in Canada can JC or AL Zulfiqar confirm what was he doing on salgirah day. Did he attend live waez relay and all.

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Nietzsche on Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:52 am

Why would anyone join Mazoon Saheb? It's only a choice between two incompetent leaders. The reformists shouldn't take a side in this, you'll end up in the same place you started, guaranteed. It should be entertaining to see how this turns out though.
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby voice on Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:47 am

Well, wait and watch is the policy adopted by Mazoon saheb and with the passage of time both the camps are preparing themselves strategically. Polarisation of his supporters in name of Qutbi Bohra appears to be of same strategy. At present its difficult to say anything decisively but the moment Mazoon saheb will start opening his cards than only we will see the clear picture.
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby shabbir4u on Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:49 pm

We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin saheb and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin.
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Al Zulfiqar on Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:12 pm

shabbir4u wrote:We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin saheb and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin.


why don't you have this this oft-repeated slogan of yours tattooed on your forehead and butt? that way we can have all bases covered.

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:16 pm

shabbir4u wrote:We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin saheb and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin.

In your zest to glorify your master you have actually gone against his commands and should be rightly labelled as 'Dawat no Dushman' because you have delibarately ommited the name of Mazunsaab in your list of 'Lovable, favourites' although he is the rightly appointed mazun by your Dai. The Dai has NEVER spoken a word against him nor has he taken away the 'Mazun ka rutba' from him. Hence as a devoted abde it is your duty to honour and love the people in key posts who are duly appointed by your Dai.
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby shabbir4u on Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:00 pm

We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin saheb and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin.
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby shabbir4u on Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:01 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
shabbir4u wrote:We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin saheb and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin.

In your zest to glorify your master you have actually gone against his commands and should be rightly labelled as 'Dawat no Dushman' because you have delibarately ommited the name of Mazunsaab in your list of 'Lovable, favourites' although he is the rightly appointed mazun by your Dai. The Dai has NEVER spoken a word against him nor has he taken away the 'Mazun ka rutba' from him. Hence as a devoted abde it is your duty to honour and love the people in key posts who are duly appointed by your Dai.

I have not said a single word againts Mazunsaab. All I said is
We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin saheb and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin.
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby shabbir4u on Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:02 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote:
shabbir4u wrote:We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin saheb and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin.


why don't you have this this oft-repeated slogan of yours tattooed on your forehead and butt? that way we can have all bases covered.



Cover your base first Canadian!!!!!
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Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:15 pm

shabbir4u wrote:I have not said a single word againts Mazunsaab. All I said is

We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin saheb and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin.

But you have also not said a single word in his praise !!!
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Unread postby Al Zulfiqar on Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:10 pm

shabbir4u wrote:
Cover your base first Canadian


canadians do not believe in covering their bases. they also do not indulge in slogan mongering like a parrot who has a frog stuck up his throat. since you are that parrot and the frog is that slogan of yours, you are the one who needs to tattoo it on his butt and become maalamaal. abdes will gladly pay 1752 rs each to come and read the noorani kalemaat seared with a hot iron on your sajdo-fied golden globes!

su eni niraali shaan chhe!

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby shabbir4u on Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:58 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
shabbir4u wrote:I have not said a single word againts Mazunsaab. All I said is

We All Dawoodi bohra ALL over World Love Sydena Moh Burhanuddin saheb and Syedi Mufadal bhai SaHEB Saifuddin.

But you have also not said a single word in his praise !!![

In misaq we still say his name too :D
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby shabbir4u on Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:00 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote:
shabbir4u wrote:
Cover your base first Canadian


canadians do not believe in covering their bases. they also do not indulge in slogan mongering like a parrot who has a frog stuck up his throat. since you are that parrot and the frog is that slogan of yours, you are the one who needs to tattoo it on his butt and become maalamaal. abdes will gladly pay 1752 rs each to come and read the noorani kalemaat seared with a hot iron on your sajdo-fied golden globes!

su eni niraali shaan chhe!


Canadian like too show up and I can tell what u are and what kind of Characterless guy you are feel sorry for your parents
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Bohra spring on Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:35 pm

shabbir4u...is mansoos more important than Mazoon and Mukasir ?

Is mansoos mentioned in Misaq ?

Has it ever been the case in Bohra history where a Mansoos is appointed when a Mazoon is still in office ?

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby mnoorani on Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:34 am

Contrary, The Abdes always knew that things were never right within the household of the Dai. This is why the Ilah ul Ardh , haqiqi Kaaba concept was created. This was further endorsed by mojezas and it is surprising as how even educated people and successfull businessmen started beleiving such crap like a boy turning into a monkey ,etc.
The well orchestrated plot to de moralise the Mazoon had started with the leaking of the affair with Nafisa Ali. This ensured that the Mazoon would not be a considered for the next Dai. YN then put all of his PR against the Mazoon which finally resulted in the Africa episode. The Mazoon and his family was alienated step by step. Surprisingly the Dai never publicly rebuked or said anything against the Mazoon, nor did the Mukasir. This way he subtly gave a message that there were others in the household that controled the dawat policies. This was subsequently proved by the Zahir Batin controversy. The family was growing and so was the greed and power. Earlier the Dai was controled by YN and then the sons took hold of the reins of power. Mazoon being the rightfull contender was always a thorn and he always had small but loyal following. For his followers , the august office, his approachability, his facial resemblance to the late dai , the highhandedness of SMB's sons and the subsequent silence from SMB was enough to prove his eligibility for being the next dai. It comes as no surprise of the nass being done witout the presense of the Mazun or the Mukasir. The sons of SMB have divided the territories amongst themselves and the Mansoos being the younger of the two most powerfull will just keep mum and enjoy the fruits. Somehow there is a hasty pace to collect all at once and make use of every living second of the Dai. New mojizas are being created and circulated and the PR team is kept busy 24/7. This is why the panic and censorship of the abde sites.
Most likely the Mazoon will lead a new faction. He is wealthy enough and his children have a cleaner image .

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Fateh on Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:27 am

Meri jindagi bina tere sanvar jaati to achha tha
daman per laga daag chhop jata to achha tha
mein samajata raha tujeh hi mera rahber magar
yeh khubsurat khayal ,khayal hi rahata to achha tha

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby JC on Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:51 am

Bro Asad,

Mazun is not in Canada but I have heard he is somewhere in USA. Bro AZ can confirm if he has any knowledge. he and his family were absent from Grand Gala and yes, now many are talking about this rift and a possible division. In all likelihood split will occur.

I had written an earlier post regarding merger of three Non-Dawoodi factions to better counter Dawoodi thugs (that is Sh**zadaas and their Salas and Co.).

Progressives should give suttle side to Qutbis - I know they all can be same and may follow and practice the same thing - like Alvis - but still in others there is some transparency and accountability and semblance. Our goal for NOW is to ensure and help Division, whatever way it comes. Division will make them weak and they will bow to some Awami pressure.

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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Nietzsche on Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:12 am

What affair was Mazoon Saheb involved in, and is there any hard evidence for the aforementioned affair? Or was it fabricated by the leadership?
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby voice on Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:00 am

Thanks to brother MNoorani for his valuable information, I agree to what he has said and it appears that till the demise of SMB, we will have to adopt the same policy as of Mazoon saheb and his supporters of "wait and watch".

But that is true that division is bound to happen and it will open new doors and horizon as far as transparency, accountability and freedom is concerned. A large number of mass will surely get in the camps of Mazoon saheb specially the reformists as they all wish for the same.

Hope to see the next move by Mazoon saheb`s camp soon.
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Re: Qutbi Bohra

Unread postby Al Zulfiqar on Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:15 am

voice wrote:But that is true that division is bound to happen and it will open new doors and horizon as far as transparency, accountability and freedom is concerned. A large number of mass will surely get in the camps of Mazoon saheb specially the reformists as they all wish for the same.



voice, stop daydreaming and don't get your hopes up at all. at the end of the day they are all thieves and rascals and they know that there is no benefit in killing the goose which lays the golden eggs by splitting it or eliminating each other.

the reformists have no interest in getting into mazoon's camp or any other camp. that is not part of their agenda, their demands are clearly spelt out at the top of the forum page. let anyone be the dai, but only as long as he follows the original rules of our deen as was the practice up until the 50th dai.

will it matter to you who is the dai if your taxes keep going up, they keep inventing new ones and you are still being screwed 'royally'?


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