Sharif Radi (Nahjul Balagha) endorses Fatimi Imam legitimacy

[badrijanab]

Bismillah' ir Rahman'ir Raheem

Sharif Radi who compiled Nahjul Balagha was an official keeper of the records of the Alwi genealogies in Baghdad. He versified some verses in favour of the Fatimid Imams being the descendants of the Prophet in 400/1009, which reads:

I nourish pain in the land of enemies (Abbasi caliphs), while in Egypt is an Alwi Caliph.
His father is mine, so is his Lord. While my host is the strange and far.
My veins are joined with him, by the Lord of all people, Muhammad and Ali.
My starvation in that land is a satisfaction; my thirst is satisfaction.
I am like a man going in the darkness, whilst behind him shines a bright moon.
(vide Diwan, Beirut, 1309 A.H., p. 972).

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Above is also reported by:
1. Ibnul Athir al Kamil, Diwan 546, viii, 24, 25
2. Kitab Ikhtilaf Usulil Madhahib of Qadi Numan B. Muhammad by S.T. Lokhandwalla, Year 1972 under 'Indian Institute of Advanced Study', Shimla.
3. Ibn Tiqtaqa also quoted the above poem in his al-Fakhri (comp. 699/1302).

Some Ithna Asheri falsely accuse that Fatimi Imams are not from progeny of Molatina Fatima and Mola Ali a.s. - Ithna Asheri most revered personality is Sharif Radi - Abul Fida (2:309) writes, “Sharif ar-Radi had composed a poem in praise of the Fatimids in which he admitted the legitimate descent of the Fatimids from Ali bin Abu Talib.” Abul Fida (1273-1331) and Makrizi (1363-1442), who were not under the pressure or influence of either the Abbasids or the Fatimids.

Blue text above by Sharif Radi who is prominent Ithna Asheri authority - he believes and endorses in his writing that every sect except Fatimi Daawat are astray and Fatimi Daawat is the only legitimate and correct Islam.
Subhan'Allah

[ghulam muhammed]

The word nahj means road and balagah is derived from baligh means to convey. The Nahj al-Balagah means the way of eloquence or way of rhetoric. It is the collection of 238 sermons (khutba), 79 letters and 478 short sayings of Ali bin Abu Talib, the first Imam. It was compiled by Sharif ar-Radi (d. 406/1015) and his brother al-Murtada Ali bin Tahir (d. 436/1044).

Many critics have questioned the validity of Nahj al-Balagah, maintaining that several sermons are fabricated by Sharif ar-Radi and al-Murtada to legalize the Shi'ite doctrinal differences. It has been an issue and lively polemic from the middle ages to the present. Ibn Khallikan (d. 681/1283) seems to have been the first to raise doubts on its authenticity. The majority of later writers, beginning with Dhahabi (d. 748/1348) in Mizan al-Itidal, Ibn Hajr in Lisan al-Mizan, Haji Khalifa (d. 1067/1657) in Kashf al-Zunun, etc. have in their turn revived these suspicions. On the other hand, Ibn Hadid (d. 656/1258) has no doubt as to the validity of this work. Laura Veccia Vaglieri writes that it is undeniable that a large portion of Nahj al-Balagah could indeed be attributed to Ali, especially certain historical and panegyrical passages, although it is difficult to ascertain the authenticity of the more apocryphal sections.

Sharif ar-Radi and al-Murtada Ali b. Tahir are most possibly doubtful compilers, because they were branded "liars" in Egypt during the Fatimid period. The Shi'ite jurist, Sharif ar-Radi (d. 406/1015) was an official keeper of the records of the Alid genealogies in Baghdad.

But in 402/1011, the Abbasid caliph Kadir billah (d. 422/1031) alarmed over the prosperity of the Fatimids and their success inside his empire, attempted to combat with Imam al-Hakim by another tool. He gathered a number of Shi’a and Sunni jurists to his court and ordered them to prepare a forged genealogy of the Fatimids and sign the document. Like other depending upon the Abbasids, Sharif ar-Radi and his brother al-Murtada also joined the campaign and signed the document. Ibn Taghri Birdi (d. 874/1470) writes in al-Nujum al-Zahira fi Muluk Misr wal Qahira (Cairo, 1929, 1:45-6) that, “The Abbasid caliph hired the theologians and paid them large sum of money to write books condemning the Fatimid cause and their doctrine.” Ibn Athir (8:9) writes, “Sharif ar-Radi did not include these verses in his Diwan due to fear of the Abbasids, and also signed the document.”

One who employed his literary skills for material benefit and hid the fact, he historically cannot be reliable. It is therefore possible that some parts of the Nahj al-Balagah would have been fabricated to justify the Shi’ite cause, but not in its enterity as judged by Ibn Khallikan. Suffice it to say that the Ismailis must exercise precaution critically in its study. Whatever the case may be, the Nahj al-Balagah, what is extant at our disposal, is one of the great masterpieces of Arabic literature.

There are however many scholars before the period of Sharif ar-Radi and al-Murtada, who had collected the fragments of the sermons, letters and sayings of Ali bin Abu Talib.

The sources of the above collecters require critical examination in the light of the extant Nahj al-Balagah, so that the historicity of the letters, sermons and sayings of Ali bin Abu Talib can be ascertained.

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/10648

[porus]

I believe that the Da'awat does not officially endorse 'Nahjul Balagha' because of doubts about the authenticity of some of the sermons and letters. It has no place in the Bohra university curriculum.

[Nafisa]

i have found this
http://www.durrenajaf.com/upload/5131139982f2b.pdf

[badrijanab]

Dear Porus bhai and All,

I request your special attention to point: Sharif Radi sahib is among the supreme personality in Ithna Asheri sect, he is unambiguously and categorically indicating: Fatimi Dawat is the rightful Islam ("shines like bright moon") and his own Ithna Asheri maslaq is "darkness" (astray).

[askz]

to nafisa ben and bhai badri janab.

Princeof the galaxy of scholars,
51stAl Dai al Fatemi,Syedna Taher Saifuddin(d.1385/1965, Mumbai,India)discussed the miraculous merits of Aliin
Manqabat asfollows:
“
Wa Kam Khutabin Lahu Gharra’a Tazhu
Balaghatuhun’na M’a Faslil Khit’ab(All his sermons are shimmering; which are not only on the peak of eloquence, but finalwords with perfection).“
Wa Amma ilmuhuu Fahuwas Sharabut’Tahuru wa ma Siwahu Kas’Sar’abi“
(His knowledge is pure, sweet water,which have power to infuse life; other than thissource of Knowledge-
Al ilm al Ladunni,
all so called springs of learning are fraud, similar
to that sands, which from the distance looks like a water).

i have found this
http://www.durrenajaf.com/upload/5131139982f2b.pdf

what is the use of all this knowledge as he could'nt practice what he had preached. he declared himself "God on Earth". he could not refrain himself his whole life from the luxuries and desires of this temporory world. today in his lineage one can see the damage he has done to this community.
if he really was the 51st dai then he should have refrained himself and his grand children during his lifetime from amassing such selfish power to oppress the poor. every one is aware of this crimes. so please stop glorifying him and his deeds as in the eyes of Allah he has committed sins greater than any normal human being.

[ghulam muhammed]

I request your special attention to point: Sharif Radi sahib is among the supreme personality in Ithna Asheri sect, he is unambiguously and categorically indicating: Fatimi Dawat is the rightful Islam ("shines like bright moon") and his own Ithna Asheri maslaq is "darkness" (astray).

Till now you were vehemently criticizing ithna asharis and their beliefs but now all of sudden you start praising their revered scholar just because some of his statements suits your agenda. It wont be surprising if tomorrow you start quoting Osama Bin Laden or even Narendra Modi if any of their statements suit your agenda............. You should be in the Lok Sabha (Indian Parliament) as you change colours like a chameleon at the drop of a hat, this is the most important qualification required to be a die hard politician !!

[badrijanab]

I request your special attention to point: Sharif Radi sahib is among the supreme personality in Ithna Asheri sect, he is unambiguously and categorically indicating: Fatimi Dawat is the rightful Islam ("shines like bright moon") and his own Ithna Asheri maslaq is "darkness" (astray).

Till now you were vehemently criticizing ithna asharis and their beliefs but now all of sudden you start praising their revered scholar just because some of his statements suits your agenda. It wont be surprising if tomorrow you start quoting Osama Bin Laden or even Narendra Modi if any of their statements suit your agenda............. You should be in the Lok Sabha (Indian Parliament) as you change colours like a chameleon at the drop of a hat, this is the most important qualification required to be a die hard politician !!

Janab GM bhai,

Fatimi Dawat ki maqbooliyat ki bulandiyo'n se aap kitne jal-bhun rahe ho! tch tch...

[ghulam muhammed]

Fatimi Dawat ki maqbooliyat ki bulandiyo'n se aap kitne jal-bhun rahe ho! tch tch...

badrijanab saab,

Haqeeqat me jalne ki booh 24x7 kahan se aati hai ye baat forum ke sabhi member jaante hai, kiske har ek suraag se dhua nikalta hai ye bhi sab jaante hai, bas ab sirf "bhasm" hona baaki hai !!

I have only asked you a very simple and straight forward question as to why you chose to rely on statements of a scholar having ithna ashari beliefs which you so vehemently oppose ! This clearly proves that you change colours at the drop of a hat.

[badrijanab]

Janab GM Sahab,

Aap Fatimi Dawat ke liye apne dil me kitna hi "hasad" rakh lo - it doesn't alter the proven and established fact that Sharif Radi, one of the most revered personalty in Ithna Asheri Shia is acknowledging the rightfulness of Fatimi Dawat and astray of Ithna Asheri's.


Maza aa gaya bhai. Sharif Radi sahab ka statement padh kar behamdolillah maza aa gaya. Subhan Allah. Sach ki hi vijay hoti he.

[Muslim First]

Br GM
It is Muslim belief that the Davil is chained in the month of Ramadan . Somehow this Davil is left unchained!!!!

[SBM]

Br GM
It is Muslim belief that the Davil is chained in the month of Ramadan . Somehow this Davil is left unchained!!!!

Because he is PRISTINE devil

[ghulam muhammed]

Maza aa gaya bhai. Sharif Radi sahab ka statement padh kar behamdolillah maza aa gaya. Subhan Allah. Sach ki hi vijay hoti he.

Thanks for displaying your mental calibre which now proves beyond doubt that you rejoice on 'Borrowed' quotes from people whom you hate most and who are also proven liars, after all 'A Liar will always praise another Liar' which is exactly what you (Liar) are doing here !!

[badrijanab]

Maza aa gaya bhai. Sharif Radi sahab ka statement padh kar behamdolillah maza aa gaya. Subhan Allah. Sach ki hi vijay hoti he.

Thanks for displaying your mental calibre which now proves beyond doubt that you rejoice on 'Borrowed' quotes from people whom you hate most and who are also proven liars, after all 'A Liar will always praise another Liar' which is exactly what you (Liar) are doing here !!

"Tareef ke layak to wohi he, jis ki tareef dushman bhi kare." Sunni dislike Sharif Radi and contend him he is lier, where else Ithna Asheri likes Sharif Radi with high regards and consider him to be speaking truth. Sunni like 1/2/3 and perceive that they will be speaking truth, where else Shia proves it otherwise.

The point to note is: From Ithna Asheri dimension; Sharif Radi is genuine and truthful person. Their is anti between Ithna Asheri and Fatimi Dawat on the matter of succession of Imam after Imam Sadik a.s. - Ithna Asheri's one of the most prominent personalty Janab Sharif Radi sahib is categorically and unambiguously, without under any life threatening pressure claiming that Fatimi Imam's are rightful Imams, and his Ithna Asheri believes are astray! This is very strong point to ponder for those who abide Islam/Imamat. But it is no matter for others like you in particular or Sunni/Sufies in general.

[ghulam muhammed]

badrijanab saab,

You are playing the same record again and again............. You are relying on quotes from someone whose beliefs you hate the most and moreover the person is a LIAR as per my above given references. You need to try your luck at the Indian Parliament and I assure you that you will overshadow all the politicians who go from "Lota ma thi naalka ma" at the drop of a hat.

[badrijanab]

badrijanab saab,

You are playing the same record again and again............. You are relying on quotes from someone whose beliefs you hate the most and moreover the person is a LIAR as per my above given references. You need to try your luck at the Indian Parliament and I assure you that you will overshadow all the politicians who go from "Lota ma thi naalka ma" at the drop of a hat.

GM bhai,

Though you and some other believes that Sharif Radi sahab was a lier but Ithna Asheri believes otherwise. Like Shia believes etc, etc and etc were lier but you and other believes otherwise.

Put your self in the context of above premise and appeal your intellectual honesty to appreciate the evidentiary proven fact that Sharif Radi sahab, one of the most PROMINENT personalty of Ithna Asheri has unambiguously stated that Ismaili Fatimi Imam Syyedna Molana wa Aaqa Imam Hakim bi Amriallah alay'his'salam is rightful Imam and Sharif Radi own maslaq of Ithna Asheri is astray from Islam. Subhan Allah.

[Muslim First]

Ismaili Fatimi Imam Syyedna Molana wa Aaqa Imam Hakim bi Amriallah alay'his'salam

Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah
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Histories of Al Hakim can prove controversial,[4][5] as diverse views of his life and legacy exist. Historian Paul Walker writes: “Ultimately, both views of him, the mad and despotic tyrant irrationally given to killing those around him on a whim, and the ideal supreme ruler, divinely ordained and chosen, whose every action was just and righteous, were to persist, the one among his enemies and those who rebelled against him, and the other in the hearts of true believers, who, while perhaps perplexed by events, nonetheless remained avidly loyal to him to the end."

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[badrijanab]

Fool Muslim First,

On Wikipedia, you can declare yourself as combined reincarnation of 1/2/3 but does that become believable?!!!

[ghulam muhammed]

Though you and some other believes that Sharif Radi sahab was a lier but Ithna Asheri believes otherwise. Like Shia believes etc, etc and etc were lier but you and other believes otherwise.

Hence put yourself in this position............. Your unheard of "Pristine" sect curse the first 3 khalifas but the MAJORITY of Muslims respect them and believe otherwise.

On Wikipedia, you can declare yourself as combined reincarnation of 1/2/3 but does that become believable?!!!

In your own version of Islam you can declare yourself to be "Pristine", you can print hundreds of books to justify your claims but that does not become the truth !!!!

appreciate the evidentiary proven fact that Sharif Radi sahab, one of the most PROMINENT personalty of Ithna Asheri has unambiguously stated that Ismaili Fatimi Imam Syyedna Molana wa Aaqa Imam Hakim bi Amriallah alay'his'salam is rightful Imam

Appreciate the evidentiary fact that Sharif Radi was a LIAR hence his statements are of no value at all !! Furthermore, you ridicule his ithna ashari school of thoughts which according to you are based on lies but still you rely on them to prove your point !! Now this is called "Lota ma thi Naalka ma and Naalka ma thi Lota ma" !!

[MrAliMoon]

slaam its clear by Syed Shareef razi's Poetry that he is calling abbasi caliphthate darkness becoz we all know that abbasid caliphate was a tyrant rule and they were enemies of All shia sects while on the other hand we all know that in the fatimi caliphate all shia sects were free. Syed razi (r.a) simply describing this situation, So he is not saying IsnaAshari mazhab darkness (nauzubillah). So please think and speak with truth not with religious narrow mindness

[badrijanab]

slaam its clear by Syed Shareef razi's Poetry that he is calling abbasi caliphthate darkness becoz we all know that abbasid caliphate was a tyrant rule and they were enemies of All shia sects while on the other hand we all know that in the fatimi caliphate all shia sects were free. Syed razi (r.a) simply describing this situation, So he is not saying IsnaAshari mazhab darkness (nauzubillah). So please think and speak with truth not with religious narrow mindness

Mr. AliMoon,

Sharif Radi sahaib said, "I am like a man going in the darkness, whilst behind him shines a bright moon."

In Shia, in line of Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. two lines of Imamat were the then running - Ithna Asheri and Ismailiya.

Sharif Radi sahib was following Ithna Asheri line of Imamat and for it he says, "I (Sharif Radi) am like a man going in the darkness."

Imam Hakim a.s. was the then ruling Golden Age of Islam in the same way like Mola Ali a.s. and for him Sharif Radi sahib without any pressure of Imam Hakim; despite the pressure of Abbasi Caliph he said: "whilst behind him (Imam Hakim a.s.) shines a bright moon."

Allah has referred Imam as "noor" (light) in Quran. Sharif Radi sahib is acknowledging categorically: Imam Hakim a.s. is "nooor" and his own line of Imamat (Ithna Asheri) is darkness (opposite of nooor).

[Muslim First]

Allah has referred Imam as "noor" (light) in Quran.

Sura and Aya number please

[alwan]

Allah has referred Imam as "noor" (light) in Quran.

i am also interested to know Sura and Aya number for the above.

or are you referring to 064:008 Therefore believe in God and His Messenger, and in the Light which We have sent down. And God is aware of the things you do. ?

[badrijanab]

Allah has referred Imam as "noor" (light) in Quran.

Sura and Aya number please

64 : 8

57: 28

[anajmi]

The noor in 64:8 refers to the Quran and not to an imaginary Imam.

Inzalna is for the message, not an Imam. An Imam wasn't revealed to the prophet (saw). The Quran was revealed to the prophet (saw).

57:28 refers to the deen of Islam which will light our path.

There is no mention of an Imam anywhere. That is similar to me saying that noor in 64:8 and 57:28 refers to anajmi. Both have the exact same probability!!

People should think a little before making ridiculous names. Noor means light. Light would mean something that you can see. That guides you. How can light and darkness be the same? The Imam is darkness, because badrijanab's Imam is hiding. How can a light which is in darkness itself be Noor?