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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sceptical on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:25 am

Sikander wrote:what kind of dvision are you facing?
I am from very small family yet it seems we are gonna face hard time in uniting again. :x

You are lucky.
But i'm talking of the Family in the broadest sense of the term.
Relatives don't always have the same opinion, particularly in religious beliefs.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sikander on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:29 am

it was a mistake of people, to let go house of Allah masjids in hands of this thiefs who turned it up in their personal party and gossips houses, we let them enter our life by means of different raza system and by letting our kid gettin named from them, we let them rule our back without any questioning.

now today they are striping us naked in public for their own family problems, they are dividing our own families for there ayyashi, if we dont take this matter in our hands right now, we are gonna send our children in dark age.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby AgnosticTheist on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:30 am

Sikander wrote:
AgnosticTheist wrote:For the first time in my lifetime - I am feeling ashamed of my community :(.

community is as it was, it is more problem with the leadership.

bohras gave their entire life in such hands who were not capable of taking any solid decisions or making his own family free from corruption, and now what we are witnessing is the results of that stupidity.

I beg to disagree. The entire community has changed. The followers' thinking ability has gone drastically down. The followers are as much at the fault as the leadership.

I am feeling ashamed because the very same community who was pledging their allegiance to SKQ in masaq till a couple of days ago are now praying laanat on him. I saw a few annotated photos on whatsapp and they were the ugliest thing I have seen. People are calling him all sorts of name and I wonder if that is true then how miserably SMB failed in appointing mazoon in his lifetime. And to top it up SMB didn't realize that he has chosen the wrong Mazoon for 50 years?
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Aymelek on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:33 am

Getting this latest watsapp messages..not sure its news or rumour:

Taha BS bin Syedna Muffadal na wife Khozema ni dikri che aa chokri Taha BS na jitna farzand hata sagla lai gayi, kivare ke je waqt Maula ye araam farmayu tej waqt lai ne bhagi gai ane Ibrahim BD bin Shz. Qaidjohar BS na wife em bhi aamaj amal kidhu.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sikander on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:37 am

Aymelek wrote:Getting this latest watsapp messages..not sure its news or rumour:

Taha BS bin Syedna Muffadal na wife Khozema ni dikri che aa chokri Taha BS na jitna farzand hata sagla lai gayi, kivare ke je waqt Maula ye araam farmayu tej waqt lai ne bhagi gai ane Ibrahim BD bin Shz. Qaidjohar BS na wife em bhi aamaj amal kidhu.

omg this is getting worst every second.

but I am glad if all idiots get away of dawat e qutbi and only sane people remain in this new constitution.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sikander on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:40 am

till 2 days back all these ladies were highly respected and today they are calling them names and insulting like they were slaves?
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby faalse_ka_faasla on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:46 am

My close (abde) friends are so much brain washed that they are not even ready to discuss this matter.
They will blindly follow Muffaddal BS.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sikander on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:51 am

faalse_ka_faasla wrote:My close (abde) friends are so much brain washed that they are not even ready to discuss this matter.
They will blindly follow Muffaddal BS.

because they are seeing money and power on muffy side, they have nothing to do with logic and haq, most bohra will just look who is in more wordly power and they will simply follow him.

because they are taught from years and years to just respect those who have money,no matter if they truth or not.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby voice on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:59 am

Message posted on fatemidawat.com

We are receiving slander and threats. Maintaining our strength and dignity.
Steadfast in our message of Haqq. Urge all mumineen to do the same.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Maqbool on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:18 am

The claim of Khozemabhai saheb for daiship is based on private nuss performed by Sayedna to him 50 years ago. Similarly the claim put by Muffaddal bhaisaheb is also in private. We all know that in public Sayedna has not performed any nuss to Muffaddalbhai saheb. the claim made by Qaidzoher that he is gavah to the nuss is also suspicious, because Sayedna has an attack and was paralyzed and was not able to speak or write. This we have witnessed at the time of drama of nuss performed at Rozat 2 years ago. Dr.Idris has taken mike from the hand of Sayedna and announced the nuss. They have never made public the videos of this event.

On last Friday night in all over the world they have relayed a chelum vaez of Muffadal saheb. In this, his language was to the standard of a road side rowdy. He has cursed all Udaipur progressive in such a way that many felt, being a future dia he should have not said such a words. His duty is to give dawat not adawat.

We all know that he wants the community to go to stone age. He wants ladies to engage in roti making. His advisers Y.N. sons are crooks and always after money.

In these circumstances it is wise to give benefit of dought to Khozema bhai saheb and all bohras should give support to him. But bohras will not do this because the markaz, Masjid all darghas, Kabrastan are at present under Muffadal Bs. He has gundas like amil at all places.

I think Khozema BS. should go to court and at least challenge this religious mafias.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sceptical on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:21 am

fatemidawat.com wrote:Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS was saddened to learn that 18 mumineen passed away in a stampede at Saify Mahal following Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA wafat. Syedna Qutbuddin wishes to convey condolences and sabr to the families of the victims, and to all mumineen in general for this tragic event.

These lines are not great thing, but at least they had the descence to present their condolences to the families ... As far as i know, no word from Muffaddal Mollah's camp for those families...
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sceptical on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:23 am

Maqbool wrote:They have never made public the videos of this event.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WgR61ag-5AE

from fatemidawat.com
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sikander on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:24 am

Maqbool wrote:The claim of Khozemabhai saheb for daiship is based on private nuss performed by Sayedna to him 50 years ago. Similarly the claim put by Muffaddal bhaisaheb is also in private. We all know that in public Sayedna has not performed any nuss to Muffaddalbhai saheb. the claim made by Qaidzoher that he is gavah to the nuss is also suspicious, because Sayedna has an attack and was paralyzed and was not able to speak or write. This we have witnessed at the time of drama of nuss performed at Rozat 2 years ago. Dr.Idris has taken mike from the hand of Sayedna and announced the nuss. They have never made public the videos of this event.

On last Friday night in all over the world they have relayed a chelum vaez of Muffadal saheb. In this, his language was to the standard of a road side rowdy. He has cursed all Udaipur progressive in such a way that many felt, being a future dia he should have not said such a words. His duty is to give dawat not adawat.

We all know that he wants the community to go to stone age. He wants ladies to engage in roti making. His advisers Y.N. sons are crooks and always after money.

In these circumstances it is wise to give benefit of dought to Khozema bhai saheb and all bohras should give support to him. But bohras will not do this because the markaz, Masjid all darghas, Kabrastan are at present under Muffadal Bs. He has gundas like amil at all places.

I think Khozema BS. should go to court and at least challenge this religious mafias.

in doubt one should always believe the one who was on bigger rutba when dai was present, and this case it was mazoon ud dawat.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Hussain_KSA on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:28 am

Hussain_KSA wrote:The bayan of self proclaimed 53rd dai, Khuzema bh sb on http://www.fatimidawat was hardly understood or heard. He did not show any quality to lead. The movement he has started or was made to start collapsed before it even took off. Holding of meeting in a secluded place which is to be described by various means would not have attracted more than a handful of people. His wealth is no match to the huge coffers under the disposal of Muffadal who commands very good influence with the outside world.

One could now only pray for a rift between the sons of Syedna Burhanuddin to save the teeming herd of millions abdes who are getting more fervent in their blind faith. That would only be tightrope walk for Muffy as he will soon have to announce a new Mazoon after Khuzema bhai has openly declared himself Dai. He would now be more clever in having his progeny for the post instead of his sibling and that could spill the beans. Let us wait and watch the drama !!!


Dear brother Sikandar.
I wanted to keep away from this discussion but you force me to write few words. I understand your concern. First of all let me make is clear that I am not any senior leader of reform movement and just one of the member with lowest profile. So my action will not not represent reform movement in any case.

Regarding the policy of wait and watch I would say that this due to situation as I don't think we should go with Khozaima Qutbuddin because:

How can we forget Nafisa Ali Episode.
Mazoon was a party in loot taken place during last 50 years.
He wrote that Syedna Burhanddin allowed sajda to him as he would allow to him as a Dai ( for me both are mushriks as Sajda is allowed to God Almighty only)
System got corrupt when Taher Saifuddin married to mother of Khozaima who was his Bhabi.( you may find the details on this website). Taher Saifuddin all of sudden came to picture after the death of 50th Dai Syedna Abdullah Badruddin who died within one and half year after the death of his son and mansoos Tayyab bhai sahib ( he was poisoned) the festive note is that poison and ruling family has very close relations since beginning. 46th dai was poisoned. Mother of Burhanuddin and than Mansoos Tayeb bhaisaheb was poisoned. Taher saifuddin too died because of poison.
Where was he during 50 years when poor bohras were harassed and since 40 years when reformist was looking for a little support inside the socalled royal family.
You said you will meet Khozaima Qutbuddin once you are in India. I had opportunity to meet him twice. Its your choice but just don't support some one who revolt against the kothar for his own benefits.

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Maqbool on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:31 am

I have received below message on my whatsapp.
You can notice Murtaza Abdulhusain BS words. We should be ashamed that this type of leaders are leading us.
It is a duty of Khozema Bs to do something to challenge these rowdies to court of law. By appealing on web site is not enough. Majority bohras are fed-up with the present setup but it is a chakraview for them to come out. Specially for those who are in big family. Majority bohras are willing to come out from this chakraview and looking for some way out may be thru Khozema BS..

Murtaza Abdulhusain BS
To vatan-sidhpur
Today at 1:11 PM
Today is the Soyum (tijya) of our Beloved Dai Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA. Let us not deviate our minds to anything else, do deedaar of 53rd Dai Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS and pass our day in gham n huzun, and in Ibaadat and Khatmul Quran.
Muddai khuzema maloon ane ehni shaitaani toli ni chaalj aa chey ke Molana Mohammed Burhaniddin no gham bhuli ne bija kaamo ma mashghul thai jaai.
DO NOT SEE AND READ ANY MUNAFEQEEN MESSAGE AND NEVER EVER FRWD THEIR MASGES TO ANY GROUP OR PERSON. NOR SPEND OUR VALUABLE TIME DISCUSSING THIS FITNAT AND THEIR FLASE CLAIMS.
JEM AAJE SHEHZADA QAIDJOHER BHAISAAB YE TAQREER MA MUNAFEQEEN NE FARMAYU "TAMNE TAMARO FIRQO MUBARAK HAMNE HAMARA SYEDNA ALIAQADER SYEDNA MUFADDAL SAIFUDDIN (TUS) MUBARAK"
Gutter ni badbu na sabab apne naak par rumaal raakhi layye chey ane gutter taraf nazar bhi nathi karta balke waha si jitnu bane itnu jaldi door thava no koshish karye chey. Aimaj aa Munafeqeen na emails ane msges chey je badbu ane poison si bhara hua chey, ehne dekho bhi na parho bhi na just DELETE DELETE DELETE.
Ane aaje Syedna Aliaqader Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS ne dekhi ne Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA na piyaara chehra ne yaad kari ne itnu rojo ke apna saghla gunaaho dhovaai jaai.
Khuda ta Hamne Siraat e Mustaqeem ke je Mufaddal Mola tus chey ehna upar par hamesha baaqi raakhe, ane aap na dushmano ne hamesha zaleel o khuwaar kare.
Ameen.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby silvertongue on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:33 am

A new group for the followers of Mazoom Maula has already come to exist on fbk.. check it out.. and pls join if u wil.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1401282093454538/
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Hussain_KSA on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:36 am

News is coming that Qaid Johar appointed new Mazoon Dawat. Confirmation and details are awaited.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sikander on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:45 am

silvertongue wrote:A new group for the followers of Mazoom Maula has already come to exist on fbk.. check it out.. and pls join if u wil.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1401282093454538/

1 member? with no proper hijab is representating this group?

you must be joking please delete this shiit.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:48 am

It is now official :-

QUID JOHNY (QAID JOHAR) HAS BEEN APPOINTED THE NEW MAZUN-E-DAWAT !!

This is not surprising as the important post held vacant due to Mazun's exit had to be filled with a member from the Alibaba 40 Chor family ONLY !! How on earth could they then continue to maintain their tight grip over the LOOT if it was someone else !!

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby silvertongue on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:52 am

Sikander wrote:
silvertongue wrote:A new group for the followers of Mazoom Maula has already come to exist on fbk.. check it out.. and pls join if u wil.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1401282093454538/

1 member? with no proper hijab is representating this group?

you must be joking please delete this shiit.


Wel thats true bro but atleast she made an attempt in public to start and we shld support it.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:03 am

Iam in no way propagating for mazun because he is yet to be tried out but at the same time I humbly and kindly request every reader to note the abusive language, the vulgar display and the arrogant attitude of Muffy towards Mazun which smacks of nothing but SHEER FRUSTRATION AND MORE IMPORTANTLY "GUILT" !! If at all Muffy is right then why does he have to stoop so low just to strengthen his claim as the 'Chairman of Fort Knoxx' ?? On the other hand look at the logical, well mannered approach of Mazun who tries to make his point in a civilised manner.

Muffy sounds more like his master, Narendra Modi who too tries to lure crowds with his immature antics, loads of 'Fekology' and scathing attacks on his opponents rather then discuss his own plan of actions which could prove beneficial for his followers.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sikander on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:06 am

@silvertongue

This gives wrong impression unless you can do something substantial under Islamic guidelines. Do not indulge in such sensitive matters, such silly attempts can harm this cause
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sceptical on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:13 am

Has SKQ appointed a Mazoon and Mukasir ?
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby Sikander on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:24 am

I've been noticing that everybody from my watsapp bohra group have removed their profile pictures...
Why is that?
Was there any silly fatwa from muffy again?
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:35 am

Hussain_KSA wrote:Taher Saifuddin all of sudden came to picture after the death of 50th Dai Syedna Abdullah Badruddin who died within one and half year after the death of his son and mansoos Tayyab bhai sahib ( he was poisoned) the festive note is that poison and ruling family has very close relations since beginning. 46th dai was poisoned. Mother of Burhanuddin and than Mansoos Tayeb bhaisaheb was poisoned. Taher saifuddin too died because of poison.

There is a saying "You Live by the Sword, You Die by the Sword" !! These mafias have spewed poison all through their life, be it on Sahabas, reformists or anyone who opposed their illicit activities so its no wonder that they died because of Poison. Now it has to be seen whether history repeats itself or not as one wont be surprised if Mazun is poisoned by Muffy or vice versa................. There could also be another scenario wherein Qaid Johar may poison Muffy to inherit the throne which could be an icing on the cake !!

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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby kseeker on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:37 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
Hussain_KSA wrote:Taher Saifuddin all of sudden came to picture after the death of 50th Dai Syedna Abdullah Badruddin who died within one and half year after the death of his son and mansoos Tayyab bhai sahib ( he was poisoned) the festive note is that poison and ruling family has very close relations since beginning. 46th dai was poisoned. Mother of Burhanuddin and than Mansoos Tayeb bhaisaheb was poisoned. Taher saifuddin too died because of poison.

There is a saying "You Live by the Sword, You Die by the Sword" !! These mafias have spewed poison all through their life, be it on Sahabas, reformists or anyone who opposed their illicit activities so its no wonder that they died because of Poison. Now it has to be seen whether history repeats itself or not as one wont be surprised if Mazun is poisoned by Muffy or vice versa................. There could also be another scenario wherein Qaid Johar may poison Muffy to inherit the throne which could be an icing on the cake !!



Now that's what I call a script worthy of winning an academy award.....
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:41 am

Sikander wrote:I've been noticing that everybody from my watsapp bohra group have removed their profile pictures...Why is that?Was there any silly fatwa from muffy again?

I don't think you have been reading all the posts as this was already mentioned earlier thru a watsup msg :-

Hamna watsup par koi bhi picture profile ma na naakhe kem ke munafiqo ehni sites par apna photo naakhi ne em batawi rahya che ke aa logo mola mufaddal ni nass no inkar kari lidho che e waaste meherbani kari ne koi bhi apno photo profile par set na kare.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby faalse_ka_faasla on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:44 am

@Sikander
You missed this post.

ghulam muhammed wrote:Watsup msg :-

Hamna watsup par koi bhi picture profile ma na naakhe kem ke munafiqo ehni sites par apna foto naakhi ne em batawi raya che ke aa logo mola mufaddal ni nass no inkar kari lidho che e waste meherbani kari ne koi bhi apna foto profile par set na kare.
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Re: Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin is 53rd dai

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:58 am

There are news of some great commotion in Saifee Masjid where "Laanats" have been openly showered on Mazun in the presence of Muffy

Simultanously Mazun has arranged a Majlis in Raudat Tahera........ Detailed news are expected soon !!
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