what is going on in different countries?

[Sikander]

786/Bismillah


I am from Australia but because I dont go to any functions and miqaats, I have no idea what is actually going on in this jamaat, it will be interesting to know what is going in different cities and countries about the claim of dai ship.

1)Pakistan
2)USA
3)Europe
4)Africa
5) Indian small villages and towns?
6)Gulf
7)Yemen


what are people thinking and doing at this moment?

[seeker110]

Here in USA people are being reminded by a person wishing to be free. Vision of equality and justice. MLK Jr. Unlike Bohra who are eager to become slaves.

[preni1]

SMS was in Colombo to buy US$ 25 million big house this house was former Grindlay bank house probably most expensive house in all Sri Lanka, with 2 acres of land in best resident zone

[Sceptical]

Seems in Africa, Mazoon Saheb has no support.
Muffaddal Saheb has already won there.

[Deerseye]

People in small cities of Madhya Pradesh have kept their shops closed since last three days, all are attending masjid and fateha jaman,and all are saying Lanat on the Mazoon. All this is heartfelt or just going along with the tide,no one knows. We are the most hypocrite society on earth. We can't differentiate the right from the wrong.we are doomed. And the best part is that we are happily ignorant. They say jhukti he duniya, jhukanewala chahiye.GOD CAN WE HAVE A MIRACLE NOW.

[Sikander]

Seems in Africa, Mazoon Saheb has no support.
Muffaddal Saheb has already won there.

so it means all his hunting trips are finally paying him off.

[Sikander]

SMS was in Colombo to buy US$ 25 million big house this house was former Grindlay bank house probably most expensive house in all Sri Lanka, with 2 acres of land in best resident zone

his final house will be 6 feet under ground, I wish now he learn from his father resting place.

no bunglow and expensive houses are helping him now.

[blue]

People in small cities of Madhya Pradesh have kept their shops closed since last three days, all are attending masjid and fateha jaman,and all are saying Lanat on the Mazoon. All this is heartfelt or just going along with the tide,no one knows. We are the most hypocrite society on earth. We can't differentiate the right from the wrong.we are doomed. And the best part is that we are happily ignorant. They say jhukti he duniya, jhukanewala chahiye.GOD CAN WE HAVE A MIRACLE NOW.

majority of bohras just go along with the tide when they are in masjid , jamatkhanas, but have completely different opinion when they are with their close friends and in homes. in many small towns even if one or two influential families switch to mazoon's side , many will muster courage and will join them.

[SBM]

even if one or two influential families switch to mazoon's side , many will muster courage and will join them.

Rumors are that Khorakhiwala are in SKQ's camp. Khorakhiwala are very influential family who once owned Akberally's in Mumbai

[asad]

Bohras are in vice like grip so till some of the higher ups in qasre mawali (a couple of shehzadas) and kothar switch sides than Khuzema is fighting a loosing battle.

[kseeker]

Nothing much happening in Pakistan or Srilanka even though people are chatting a lot about this privately.
From what I am hearing, no chance of anything ever happening in UAE (Dubai and Sharjah). The minute even a small quarrel breaks out, the authorities over here will shut down the bohra mosque....

[ghulam muhammed]

The maximum hype and hysteria is seen in Mumbai only because the 52nd Dai is buried here and it happens to be the official dawat seat. In rest of the places, it seems that bohras are indulging in gossips and spreading rumours some of which are true and some are just made up. There seems to be no such serious effect on them as they are programmed to follow the tide like a herd of sheep !!

[Ozdundee]

In Australia cities people are murmuring only, there is marked drop in loyalty and "love"for the Diai from 52 to 53. Many silently want SKQ to win but cannot have the courage to speak out.

There are the regular front line fanatics who fold their arms and shout praise to SMS but in the back bench there is bemusement and speechlessness. Thank the immigration process we only get skilled migrants. But even with these we have a good number of brain dead sheep like rich educated kids of fanatics from India , Pakistanand Africa, and that too bring fanatic spouses and parents along.

People should realise the DB community in Australia was only a year ago battered with negative publicity with the FGM case which is still ongoing. Community will not get much support from Islamic or society if the issue gets ugly. The Amil case is being funded from Mumbai and the influential family caught up are exhausted with legal battle and need Mumbai guidance and support. They cannot even contemplate loyalty change and risk support, but anyway they have been Muffy loyalists because they have gained position under his favour, they are sheikhs and mullahas. If SKQ was to come and live upto his promises, half the ayan would loose their positions.


SKQ was a regular visitor when his son studied in Melbourne years ago and he has more support in this city compared to Sydney especially in the established families. But even then they cannot have the guts to speak up. The feedback is he was a likeable person.

Overall view is whoever has control over the Markuz and Masjid will be the final winner. We only have one building each in Melbourne and Sydney . People cannot voluntarily leave , if they leave where now, it is not easy to setup new infrastructure. So they rely on India to settle the dispute. So the idea to seize the property through the courts is good idea.

Their view is in India, Pakistan and Africa as there are more places like Bohra masjids in a city, if the split happens the Qutbi and muffy loyalist can choose where to go for prayers.

[hsnhussain]

Does that mean no selling of massallah space this Ramazan?

[MsFH]

In Fact I have heard here in Kuwait that Registration is being done for Muffy mola Taziyat.... Abdes are rushing here from Kuwait towards Mumbai for molani Taziyat and Kadambosi, they dont mind paying lakhs of salam for Taziyat even...
As per my understanding Taziyat we can give to marhoomdar till Tijiya, Now as Tijiya is over which Tajiyat they are talking about.. God Knows..!!!!

[layman]

The Mufaddal Saifuddin camp is too busy defaming SKQ who he himself took oath of until sometime back. If he was the so spiritually inclined and i thought the 'Dai' knows whats coming, so didnt he know what was coming and that if SKQ was never on Haqq why did he take an oath of SKQ as mazoon earlier.
its very well said on fatemidawat.com that in the history of Dawat, the Mazoon (the one the Syedna appoints as the highest in power and position after him) has never done a fitnat or a separation.
So what do you think the Late Syedna made a mistake? The Imam who told the late Syedna to appoint SKQ as his Mazoon made a mistake? The oath you and you parents and relatives kept taking all these years was all fake and useless?
Take facts, take evidence and see the dirty politics of the kothar and muffy camp against SKQ! Is muffy on Haqq?
If the power is given to SKQ he will transform the religion and the people as better individuals while Muffy is gonna make the people his soldier and attack and play a dirty game, follow him blindly, pay hefty taxes, stop educating women, the women are instructed to make only 'rotis' and 'stitch ridas' and make an income. His ideology is nothing different than that of the talibaan.

Just compare SKQ to muffy, and see what your heart actually says.
Muffy is crazy! lol

[alam]

The Mufaddal Saifuddin camp is too busy defaming SKQ who he himself took oath of until sometime back. If he was the so spiritually inclined and i thought the 'Dai' knows whats coming, so didnt he know what was coming and that if SKQ was never on Haqq why did he take an oath of SKQ as mazoon earlier.
its very well said on fatemidawat.com that in the history of Dawat, the Mazoon (the one the Syedna appoints as the highest in power and position after him) has never done a fitnat or a separation.
So what do you think the Late Syedna made a mistake? The Imam who told the late Syedna to appoint SKQ as his Mazoon made a mistake? The oath you and you parents and relatives kept taking all these years was all fake?

Imam will do Zuhur and come to clarify only when those in power and the Two Syednas-in waiting start taking Responsibility

1. For Usurping their power and misusing public trust
2. For Referring to themselves as Infallible.

The two Syednas-in waiting must Ask for Maafi from Imamuzzamaan and ReAffirm their role as human beings in a spiritual leadership role, prone to error, and prone to seeking forgiveness.

Imamuzzamaan is waiting for his Doaats to clean up their quarters before making an appearance to clarify who is the true 53rd Syedna after all.

[Bohra spring]

Alam fantastic excuse, so Imam is waiting like he has for the last 1000 years

Are you sure he is ever going to turn up or we will see him after we split further between 54 eg son or brother of SMS and again between sons of SKQ

Then we will have more Wikipedia to update

But when that happens please don't call my kids and their kids munafiq if they are I'm any of the 4 or more camps

[AgnosticTheist]

Mumineen have chosen their Dai in their hearts for life. Some unfortunate people who have a doubt to this; waver and fall to the side and/or take to another calling. This is their choice.

Those (un)fortunate people have also chosen a Dai - albeit a different one.

[Bohra spring]

Mumineen have chosen their Dai in their hearts for life. Some unfortunate people who have a doubt to this; waver and fall to the side and/or take to another calling. This is their choice.

Those (un)fortunate people have also chosen a Dai - albeit a different one.

so far people did not have a choice or basis of doubt

on Friday 17th SMB passes away and SKQ spills the beans which we all suspected for a long time. Really most of us had given hope if SKQ would make a move, I must say he did and we swallow our doubts.

As far as I can research SMS has not responded to the accusations and all we hear is , abuses and claim trust SMS and feel in your heart. He is playing the game of patiently ride out the wave.

If this was legal matter we would ask for proof, evidence, witnesses etc ....until this is done, asking people to just accept the status as if nothing happened is really old fashioned.

Do we trust SKQ offcourse not yet, but apart from his dodgy ideology he seems and his kids the new shazada look less corrupt.

but SMS is catastrophic...i heard his tantrum in Udapiur majlis..his anger, the crowds fanaticism ...my skin shivered...one would think we are in the mountains with taliban. His lifestyle and brothers are terror...they look and speak evil.

[layman]

Those (un)fortunate people have also chosen a Dai - albeit a different one.

so far people did not have a choice or basis of doubt

on Friday 17th SMB passes away and SKQ spills the beans which we all suspected for a long time. Really most of us had given hope if SKQ would make a move, I must say he did and we swallow our doubts.

As far as I can research SMS has not responded to the accusations and all we hear is , abuses and claim trust SMS and feel in your heart. He is playing the game of patiently ride out the wave.

If this was legal matter we would ask for proof, evidence, witnesses etc ....until this is done, asking people to just accept the status as if nothing happened is really old fashioned.

Do we trust SKQ offcourse not yet, but apart from his dodgy ideology he seems and his kids the new shazada look less corrupt.

but SMS is catastrophic...i heard his tantrum in Udapiur majlis..his anger, the crowds fanaticism ...my skin shivered...one would think we are in the mountains with taliban. His lifestyle and brothers are terror...they look and speak evil.

have you ever heard of a scam under SKQ? the muffy company has always for the last 40 years tried to defame SKQ.
Muffy is no different than that of the Talibani leaders, they have tied up with big wanted criminals for the SBUT project, do you have any idea of the people suffering as they have not been given proper houses and financial aid and have forcefully left and submitted their house to qaid joker and muffy.

[seeker110]

What has SKQ done for the community in all his long life so far ? Are you hoping this old dog will do new tricks. If there ever was any love or kindness for so many of our unfortunate brothers, this family would have done it. Did SKQ or any of his brothers ever work for the poor momineen. All this fight about haq is about division of loot collected by 52nd.
All we need is to hire a Amil to run the masjid. Why does anyone need a Dai for every day living, specially at such expense. We all know the system can work fine without the bureaucracy. We have been doing fine without the gahib imam. we can definitely survive without Dai.

[godmoney]

In small town n village ppl are force to pay 5000 unit for khatmul quran n then maula taraf si jaman

Muffy camp have started business in 3 days

Why the hell muffy need money for fatiya jaman

[trvoice]

786/Bismillah



1)Pakistan (riots)
2)USA (peace)
3)Europe (peace)
4)Africa (riots)
5) Indian small villages and towns? (confusion)
6)Gulf (rumors)
7)Yemen (no effin clue)


what are people thinking and doing at this moment?

[questions]

Mississauga Amil has called for a special urgent meeting of all jamat members especially all heads of household after Quran khatam at 730 pm
Wonder if it is to forced Lanat and signing of oath of allegiance on pain of excommunication and social boycott ?

Human rights tribunal of Canada should be told all this u
Canada has a charter of rights and freedom and undue pressure will not be tolerated here ...

[alam]

Mississauga Amil has called for a special urgent meeting of all jamat members especially all heads of household after Quran khatam at 730 pm
Wonder if it is to forced Lanat and signing of oath of allegiance on pain of excommunication and social boycott ?

Human rights tribunal of Canada should be told all this u
Canada has a charter of rights and freedom and undue pressure will not be tolerated here ...

Any Canadians reading this should immediately contact human rights advocate in your area.

[Mkenya]

questions: It is naive to suggest that a suit shoud be filed with the Canadian Human Rights Organisation or, for that matter, any other human rights organisation. Obviously the writers on this subject have not done any homework as to what is involved. To begin with, an attorney has to be hired and briefed about the subject matter. He will ask for documentary and verbal evidence on which he would peruse if the suit can swim or sink. Do not forget his time will not be cheap and he would definitely ask for a, in legal language, reatainer. This is a 'bismillah' amount for him to even look at your papers. I am sorry to break your heart but history is replete with corpses of such ideas. As soon as money is to be forked over your backers would melt away. Just try to get even ten percent of the people on this forum to give assent to your quest and commit money. Obviously you have not heard of the adage in English: who is going to bell the cat!

My suggestion is do not even try. The mammoth Kothar machinery would swing into action to bury any such suit in no time. Where you would go, cap in hand, to silicit funds they would eat you alive with their financial power. Why do you think Kothar forced women to go tie 'rakhi' on Modi's wrists? Just so it can have him bear pressure on upstarts like you all.

It is so transparent to all progressive Bohras that Kothar is milking the community yet the debate does not even address the question whether Bohras need a Dai. Dais have their agendas, and that is fill their own coffers. Dais, if they were mindful of the plight of hundreds of thousands in the community would abdicate and declare that they have failed. Entrusted with the task of upliftment of Bohras it is pursuing grandiose projects. Gullible parents, with even more gullible children, have their eyesights on getting a placement in the Jamea. These youngsters are dyed in jus one colour, and that is the Dai is omnipotent. Two handicaps of thousands of Bohras, illiteracy and poverty, is being used so effectively that all I can say is the war is lost even before it ha starts.

[seeker110]

A rich Dai (other peoples money) cannot enjoy a sound mind or a fit body (no hard work). The reason for fights among brothers is none can live without more money coming in. They are scared of their own true worth. The happiest people around them are lawyers and politicians, specially when one of them dies.

[questions]

Second mandatory meeting for tonight has been called by Mississauga Amil.
Mandatory for all heads of households to come and sign memorandum.

[as2153]

I think a degree of disillusionment is setting in with many people, most people are keeping quiet because as a community we do not generally make waves and the therefore the majority appear to be settling with SMS.