Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

[salaar]

monginis why are the people in US have horns on their and whats so difficult abt the pay scale in US you guys when you are not left with any justifications you come onto personal attacks, brother world has shrunk and whether you are in chicago or alberta or surat or guangzhou its all same

[monginis]

monginis why are the people in US have horns on their and whats so difficult abt the pay scale in US you guys when you are not left with any justifications you come onto personal attacks, brother world has shrunk and whether you are in chicago or alberta or surat or guangzhou its all same

if some body thinks people in US makes 2500$ per week, then it is obvious he is never went out of his cyber cafe and zampa bazar.

nothing to get sad about it, just try to look bigger picture, and better use resources to learn instead of just following those who are known to white wash people with lies.

[monginis]

I personally dont even bother to read james post, he is paid for typing and he is here not to search truth but to just defend his master,
and this is no way to debate or to show light to those who have already sold their soul for money.

[salaar]

you know what a highly paid advocate does, he is the master in jugglery of words he has the style to to plead and speak for his client in such a way that a murderer is released with honour and an innocent one is hanged, yes this is the rule of the society, if Muffadal moula says something in his innocent and simple words to warn and guide his followers you start criticising him then i suggest you go and follow some sadhus who are although mushriks but yes they are very good orators and can speak for hours without looking into any paper you follow them because according to your criteria you need a good speaker and not what he is preaching.

[salaar]

sorry my last post was intended for some other topic anyway monginis in US making 2500 per week cannot be ruled out as some business concerns offers handsome commission packages like some pharma companies etc

[Bohra spring]

SMS is the target because the super human status abdes have risen his capability. But if now abdes want to back peddle and claim he meant so,etching else or he made a mistake that is wonderful that they are recalibrating his capability to a mortal and one that is not so learned or visionary.

Is it not interesting that he made a blunder he could not articulate a fundamental message to motivate women in our community . If he said something else but we interpreted it completely different is again his shortcoming where how will he motivate the men or youth to be better and successful in this modern very competitive world.

If abdes continue to fancy SMS then it is a terrible reflection on the 52 and imam zaman to have selected someone less ideal to run the leadership. Can the abdes not ask themselves , is SMS the most competent, learned, articulate Bohra amongst the 1.2 million Bohras ? Does he represent the best of the best ?

Now for the women, does SMS inspire and motivate them to be the most capable Muslim woman ? Does his words and speeches make them feel good , able to face the ups and down of the future with confidence and feeling that they can achieve anything as super women, super wives, super mothers , super sisters ? If you say yes then may be SMS is the leader you deserve

IF the answer is no or not sure then see what SKQ has to offer, if not then join us reformists !

[Crater Lake]

James you really need to get out a little more...$2500/week?!!! Many people both in India and America make a lot more than that. But not in call centers. I pay my maid in America more than $350/week just for a few hours of help so I would need to make more than $2500/week in order to afford one. However someone in India who makes $500/month could afford a maid to do dishes and laundry. So it's fair pay....it's a lot more than one makes sewing ridas or making rotis or guthoing topis which is Mufaddal Bhaisaheb's suggestion. Call center wages can lift a family out of poverty and can be a stepping stone to something bigger. And do you know why we make good money in the US and lead good lives? It's because we have dignity of labor. Be it in a call center or in a restaurant doing dishes....we know it can lead to bigger things. Humble beginnings can lead to bigger things which is a concept tMufaddal Bhaisaheb does not get...

[SBM]

you know what a highly paid advocate does, he is the master in jugglery of words he has the style to to plead and speak for his client in such a way that a murderer is released with honour and an innocent one is hanged, yes this is the rule of the society

Correction It is not advocate but a Shezaada or your Dai who are master of jugglery and call NaMo as savior while the world calls him Murder.

sorry my last post was intended for some other topic anyway monginis in US making 2500 per week cannot be ruled out as some business concerns offers handsome commission packages like some pharma companies etc

Is is the Aamis of different Jammats who work on commission based on the Wajebaat collection,
Again you guys (James and Salar) are mistaking your Goon Masters for hard working people

[SBM]

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hey anajmi and sbm listen i know we have nothing in common why dont you go into your own circles and spit your filth there

I am still E Jamaat card member having no allegiance to any one.

[salaar]

hey crater lake in which world you are living you probably have no idea what kind of money people are making even in this part of the world although iam a citizen of canada but 80% of my time i focus on my business in pakistan and we can easily afford maids cooks and chaueffers here which i know is not a luxury that you guys can afford

[SBM]

in pakistan and we can easily afford maids cooks and chaueffers here which i know is not a luxury that you guys can afford

Did you check Kothari Goons and Aamils in Pakistan hey they can afford Maids-Cooks and Chauffers which a normal hard working person in USA can not do.
If you can afford all that then you must be a RICH AAMIL or SHAIKH in Canada and of course your Maids are AMTE who make Roti for you and your Chauffers are ABDES who stay with folded hands when you arrive and your COOKS are everyone who supplies DUBBA and THALI while you collect money

[true_bohra]

@Sbm
Really amils gets commissions on vajebaat..hahahahaha...

[Bohra spring]

The Zamzam well was excavated by hand, and is about 30 m (98 ft) deep and 1.08 to 2.66 m (3 ft 7 in to 8 ft 9 in) in diameter. It taps groundwater from the wadi alluvium and some from the bedrock. Originally water from the well was drawn via ropes and buckets, but today the well itself is in a basement room where it can be seen behind glass panels (visitors are not allowed to enter). Electric pumps draw the water, which is available throughout the Masjid al-Haram via water fountains and dispensing containers near the Tawaf area.[1]
Hydrogeologically, the well is in the Wadi Ibrahim (Valley of Abraham). The upper half of the well is in the sandy alluvium of the valley, lined with stone masonry except for the top metre (3 ft) which has a concrete "collar". The lower half is in the bedrock. Between the alluvium and the bedrock is a 1⁄2-metre (1 ft 8 in) section of permeable weathered rock, lined with stone, and it is this section that provides the main water entry into the well. Water in the well comes from absorbed rainfall in the Wadi Ibrahim, as well as run-off from the local hills. Since the area has become more and more settled, water from absorbed rainfall on the Wadi Ibrahim has decreased.
The Saudi Geological Survey has a "Zamzam Studies and Research Centre" which analyses the technical properties of the well in detail. Water levels were monitored by hydrograph, which in more recent times has changed to a digital monitoring system that tracks the water level, electric conductivity, pH, Eh, and temperature. All of this information is made continuously available via the Internet. Other wells throughout the valley have also been established, some with digital recorders, to monitor the response of the local aquifer system.[1]
The water level is 3.23 m (10.6 ft) below the surface. A pumping test at 8,000 litres per second (280 cu ft/s) for more than a 24-hour period showed a drop in water level to 12.72 m (41.7 ft) below the surface and then to 13.39 m (43.9 ft), after which the water level stopped receding. When pumping stopped, the water level recovered to 3.9 m (13 ft) below surface only 11 minutes later[citation needed]. This data shows that the aquifer feeding the well seems to recharge from rock fractures in neighbouring mountains around Mecca.[citation needed]
Zamzam water has no colour or smell, but it has a distinct taste, and its pH is 7.9–8.0, indicating that it is alkaline to some extent and is similar to seawater.
Mineral concentration
as reported by researchers at King Saud University[6]
mineral concentration
mg/L oz/cu in
Sodium 133 7.7×10−5
Calcium 96 5.5×10−5
Magnesium 38.88 2.247×10−5
Potassium 43.3 2.50×10−5
Bicarbonate 195.4 0.0001129
Chloride 163.3 9.44×10−5
Fluoride 0.72 4.2×10−7
Nitrate 124.8 7.21×10−5
Sulfate 124.0 7.17×10−5
Total dissolved alkalinity 835 0.000483
Health risks and sale[edit]

In May 2011, a BBC London investigation found that water marketed as having been taken from the Zamzam Well contained high levels of nitrate, potentially harmful bacteria, and arsenic at levels three times the legal limit in the UK.[7] Arsenic is a carcinogen, raising concerns that Muslims who regularly consume commercial Zamzam water in large quantities may be exposed to higher risks of cancer. The British Food Standards Agency has in the past issued warnings about water claiming to be from the Zamzam Well containing dangerous levels of arsenic;[8] such sales have also been reported in the UAE, where it is illegal to sell Zamzam.[3] The Saudi government has prohibited the commercial export of Zamzam water from the kingdom.[3] However, there is a strong commercial demand for Zamzam which has resulted in continued commercial distribution of water alleged to be Zamzam.
Later in that month the Council of British Hajjis stated that drinking Zamzam water was safe and disagreed with the BBC report. They also went on to point out that the Government of Saudi Arabia does not allow the export of Zamzam water for resale. Also stating that it was unknown if the water being sold in the UK was genuine, people should not buy it and report the sellers to the Trading Standards.[9]
The BBC's findings have drawn mixed reactions from the Muslim community.[10] Environmental health officer Dr Yunes Ramadan Teinaz told the British broadcaster about commercially marketed Zamzam water that, "People see this water as a holy water. They find it difficult to accept that it is contaminated, but the authorities in Saudi Arabia or in the U.K. must take action."[11] The Saudi authorities have stated that water from the well was tested by the Group Laboratories of CARSO-LSEHL in Lyon, licensed by the French Ministry of Health for the testing of drinking water. According to reports of these results, the level of arsenic in Zamzam water taken at its source is much lower than the maximum amount permitted by the World Health Organization.[12] The Saudi authorities have thus said that the water is fit for human consumption.[13] Zuhair Nawab, president of the Saudi Geological Survey (SGS), has claimed that the Zamzam Well is tested on a daily basis, in a process involving the taking of three samples from the well. These are said to be examined in the King Abdullah Zamzam Water Distribution Center in Mecca, which is equipped with advanced facilities.[12]

[humanbeing]

We shall debate fairly on comments passed by SMS on call centres. If we are to understand the essence of his message. Call centre at night are in many ways unsafe for women with respect to their safety and comfort. In my opinion call centres are drain of youth energy and waste of prime youth in chasing short term money. The opportunity cost is much higher pursuing a short term call centre career.

Having said that, if SMS has progressive intentions to promote women empowerment. Then he must encourage scholarship program for higher studies and skill development. Making rotis, topi knitting, rida sewing are vocational skills that can be learned in-house. But at the community level, we need a macro level plan / institution. These studies and skills must be commercially viable and not bohra community inclusive such as topi, rida, lace etc.

The hype and worry of SMS with bohra women mingling with other men is funny, when bohra men and women ( gair mehroom) get pushed and shoved together in hysteria of his deedar and other fancy moves. How bohra women shout / yell / cry in public is surprisingly alarming and hilarious at times.

[humanbeing]

Really amils gets commissions on vajebaat..hahahahaha...

Oh yeah ! Big time ….

[SBM]

Question to all these Muffy Defenders
Can you please show how many Scholarships have been created for Women? How many Schools or Colleges have been opened exclusively for Women? What has he or his Goons have done for upliftment of Bohra Women?
How many trade centers have been opened for Bohra Women, He could have learned the LIJJAT PAPAAD concept and created a ROTI making factory or TOPI-RIDA factories and trained women to take executive positions and train them to manage and create a environment for them to progress
Instead he asked them to make ROTI to get Barakaat and ask them to go Majlis and Darees and give him all their gold Jewelery in the name of Ma Fatema's zarih and provide no accountability to what happened to that Gold

[true_bohra]

Can you enlist that what has your progressive fold done for women after getting secluded from the dawat.

Your site mentions of the transperancy, can you guys show your balance sheets, which way your funds were used, list of the beneficiaries.

[james]

James you really need to get out a little more...$2500/week?!!!

so I would need to make more than $2500/week in order to afford one.

However someone in India who makes $500/month

trvoice , monginis and Crater Lake ( Same brand of idiots albeit with different names ) :

All of the above need to go to the Specsavers immediately or get a diagnosis from a psychiatrist. The below is my original post :

Tell me what is the minimum wage one would get for working 60hours week in a month in USA ? Is 2400$ a fair estimate ? Call center agents are paid 400-500$ in India.You are the one who is out of touch with times.

The three stooges have accused me of talking about the weekly wages of USA minimum wage whilst at the same time the losers have assumed monthly wage of Call Center Agent working in India. The remarkable thing is I have mentioned " Month " for USA minimum wage structure while for Indian Call center agent , I mentioned nothing of that sort . The three usernames are a prime example of sycophancy running amok on this forum.

[james]

Really amils gets commissions on vajebaat..hahahahaha...

Oh yeah ! Big time ….

No they don't .

[ghulam muhammed]

humanbeing wrote:

true_bohra wrote:

Really amils gets commissions on vajebaat..hahahahaha...Oh yeah ! Big time ….

No they don't .

To say that Amils don't get commission on wajebat is perhaps the biggest joke !! Their vazifa is too little for them to sustain the lifestyle that they are normally accustomed to. Every second Amil owns a house in major cities like Surat, Mumbai etc., now how can he afford to buy a house worth lakhs from his "Vazifa" ?? Before the abdes come up with their usual rants of "what proof" kindly note that this is a ground reality which anyone can check. They are normally entitled to 10% commission on the loot which is transferred to Saifee Mahal thru hawala from the respective 'mozes' !!

[ARB]

Oh yeah ! Big time ….

No they don't .

So why do amils have quotas? What incentive do they have to push people to pay more than last year? Commission big time!

[true_bohra]

humanbeing wrote:

true_bohra wrote:

Really amils gets commissions on vajebaat..hahahahaha...Oh yeah ! Big time ….

No they don't .

To say that Amils don't get commission on wajebat is perhaps the biggest joke !! Their vazifa is too little for them to sustain the lifestyle that they are normally accustomed to. Every second Amil owns a house in major cities like Surat, Mumbai etc., now how can he afford to buy a house worth lakhs from his "Vazifa" ?? Before the abdes come up with their usual rants of "what proof" kindly note that this is a ground reality which anyone can check. They are normally entitled to 10% commission on the loot which is transferred to Saifee Mahal thru hawala from the respective 'mozes' !!

Gm your sources are not always right.

1 Wajebaat is not sent to saifee mahal but to badri mahal.
2 there is no such involvement of hawala in transferring such fund.
3 badri mahal sents down all the instruction pertaining to wajebaat collection.
4 every single penny is sent by medium of drafts in favour of dawat e hadiyan and amils commission or incentive is far not related to this.
5 seperate drafts are made for the najwa and salams of mazoon and mukasir saheb and nazral maqam and other affiliated subjects.
6 badri mahal also calls for details about tashreef is been given to each individual.

So amils getting commissiom is a myth because every penny is accounted for.

[rational_guy]

how come dawat hadiyat is not a 80G registered organisation with the income tax

[james]

No they don't .

So why do amils have quotas? What incentive do they have to push people to pay more than last year? Commission big time!

They don't have any quotas. You can ask Khuzaima.

[james]

humanbeing wrote:

true_bohra wrote:

Really amils gets commissions on vajebaat..hahahahaha...Oh yeah ! Big time ….

No they don't .

To say that Amils don't get commission on wajebat is perhaps the biggest joke !! Their vazifa is too little for them to sustain the lifestyle that they are normally accustomed to. Every second Amil owns a house in major cities like Surat, Mumbai etc., now how can he afford to buy a house worth lakhs from his "Vazifa" ?? Before the abdes come up with their usual rants of "what proof" kindly note that this is a ground reality which anyone can check. They are normally entitled to 10% commission on the loot which is transferred to Saifee Mahal thru hawala from the respective 'mozes' !!

Your only proof is that " every second Amil owns a house in major cities like Surat,Mumbai etc " . ( That is also not true )

Quite laughable to see you chastise others for demanding proof to your fanciful claims of 10% .

[true_bohra]

how come dawat hadiyat is not a 80G registered organisation with the income tax

80g is claiming deduction for CHARITABLE TRUSTS

Dawat e hadiyah is a parent trust and is religious cum charitable trust

[ghulam muhammed]

1 Wajebaat is not sent to saifee mahal but to badri mahal.

OK agreed ! as it doesn't make any difference because the beneficiaries are the same, its like a Mumbai builder paying extortion money to Dawood Ibrahim, now whether he pays him in Karachi or Mumbai doesn't make any difference !!

there is no such involvement of hawala in transferring such fund.

My dear friend, either you are unaware or pretend to be so ! How do you think the crores of CASH money collected during Ziafats, Hadiyats, Mafsusiyats, Chammar service and the Galla money transferred ?? Do you think that the mafia bosses themselves carry it with them on their way back home ??

every single penny is sent by medium of drafts in favour of dawat e hadiyan and amils commission or incentive is far not related to this.

As far as wajebat money is concerned, I agree that most of it is sent by drafts/cheques ! But Amils commission is paid in cash.

[true_bohra]

1. You were mistaken about place so i clarified that it is badri mahal where everything is sent.
2. It is not the reason always that cash collected has to be sent through hawala. Channels are there for it.
3. Can you tell me when this commission is paid and that too in cash..

[james]

They are normally entitled to 10% commission on the loot which is transferred to Saifee Mahal thru hawala from the respective 'mozes' !!

As far as wajebat money is concerned, I agree that most of it is sent by drafts/cheques ! But Amils commission is paid in cash.

In your advance age , you will get CAD at the rate you are going . Truth will always shine out in face of wild unsubstantiated claims. Remember this always . Reality is that you are not aware of any " ground reality " . It is enjoyable to see true_bohra running circles around you. He says Jump , and you comply with How High !

According to you, the wajebat was transferred through hawala by Amils from their respective mozes. Then you agree most of wajebat is sent by drafts/cheques. Yet in your dishonesty , you still maintain that Amil Commission is paid in cash .

[true_bohra]

There is no such things as incentive or commission for amils. The only thing deducted from the ikraam fund is the expenses incurred for purchase of tashreef and other expenses incidental thereto.

The expenses are not unsubstantiated expenses but badri mahal ask for its invoice also in support for that.

So this 10% theorem is out of the way