"Moderate Muslims" are our Allies against Islam: America

[araz5253]

The RAND corporation, author of the infamous “Civil Democratic Islam” paper that essentially laid forth a “divide and conquer” strategy to subdue the Muslim world from resisting American hegemony, recently released a follow up report entitled “Building Moderate Muslim Networks” to effectuate the policy objectives that were previously discussed in their other papers. The report comes in the wake of a recent summit by “secular” Muslims in St. Petersburg, Florida where they issued a proclamation declaring support for secularism, “human rights”, along with condemnation of orthodoxy, the Shari'ah with particular focus on the hadd punishments against apostasy, zina, Islamic governance, not to mention practices that have no place in Islam such as female circumcision, honor killing, forced veiling, and forced marriage. Unsurprisingly, the doctrine such “secular” Muslims espouse and the method they utilize to propagate their ideas coincides exactly with the doctrine and methods espoused in the “Building Moderate Muslim Networks” paper. Some may describe the secular Muslim summit and the publication of the RAND report as a fortuitous coincidence, while others may describe them as merely the convergence of plans that were long in the making.

Summary


The underlying argument of this paper is that the United States is currently embroiled in what is described as a civil war within Islam whose outcome is on par with the titanic struggle that occurred during the Cold War with the Soviet Union. Just like the US utilized both covert and overt tactics to contest the expansion of communism, it must utilize both covert and overt tactics to subdue “radical” Islam. The paper specifically focuses on the concept of developing “moderate” networks to contest the authority of America's opponents both at home and abroad. [MORE]

Criticisms

The paper is wracked with ambiguous definitions, weak inferences, and downright ignorance of the subtleties of the region as a whole. Although I am not quite certain how the paper has been received by strategists within the government, if this paper is the primary source of covert policy in subduing “radical” Islam, then the US is in for a world of trouble because such a program is bound to fail. In addition to the general problems of the normative and descriptive value of the paper, I have five specific criticisms of the article. [MORE]

Challenging the Hegemonic Discourse on Islamism

What the RAND paper has made clear, along with other papers on Islam, is that Western countries do not seek to eliminate those Muslims who utilize violence against innocent civilians, but those Muslims who seek to challenge Western hegemony as well, regardless if they use entirely peaceful and legal means to fulfill these objectives. If this is true, than the “War on Terrorism” must be changed to the “War on Islam Itself.” Some Muslims may contest such a claim. Some Muslims, wasting away in luxury and conceit, ignorant of Islamic traditions and history, naïve of global politics, go so far as to deny that the West is an existential threat to Islam. What these ignoramuses fail to realize is that war is already upon the Muslim Ummah. The threat of bombs falling on our cities, our women being raped, our men being shipped off to prisons for no crimes and being tortured in inhumane ways, is not merely a potential future outcome, it is already here. The future is now. [MORE]

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compilation of RAND reports:
http://muslimmatters.org/2007/03/31/random-thoughts/

“Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah.” (Surat al-Anfal- 30)

[topiwala]

That video is of the same Israar who said Mola Ali A.S used to drink alcohol before prohibition was revealed!

[araz5253]

whats the big deal , actually he defended him and it was common in arabs to drink alcohol and was not viewed as objectionable.

[topiwala]

How dare you say that at time of prophet anD Maula Ali AS people used to drink Alcohol? are you in your senses?

[SBM]

How dare you say that at time of prophet anD Maula Ali AS people used to drink Alcohol? are you in your senses?

Oh correction Abdes at the time of 51 thru 53 still drink alcohol in the company of Kothari Masters at the Metro Hotel owned by Shaikh Sarkar Family.
They used to drink at Ambassador Hotel in Churchgate previously owned by Kothari Masters.

[ghulam muhammed]

How dare you say that at time of prophet anD Maula Ali AS people used to drink Alcohol? are you in your senses?

Allah did not send down all the laws at one time. The Quran was sent down over a period of 23 years. In the first 13 years of Mecca, none of these laws were sent down. As a matter of fact, if you analyze the Meccan Surahs, they all talk about Tawheed, Shirk, Day of Judgment, and Hell, Heaven etc. This was done in order to first build up the faith of the believers. Then in Madina, the laws were sent down. This is to teach us that people change gradually and not just overnight. This is the wisdom that Muslims even apply today. That if there is a sinner and wishes to turn back to God, he doesn’t conform to all of the laws and quit all the sins he does over night. His mind would eventually pop and lose hope of ever changing. But a person is to change gradually.

Drinking was a part of the lives of the people at that time and Allah in his divine wisdom had them quit gradually. This was Allah’s plan the whole time. But if Allah were to completely prohibit drinking all at once, it would have been very difficult for them to abide by that law immediately. This simply shows Allah’s mercy and consideration for his creation.



The gradual prohibition came in 3 verses in the following order:

Surah 2:219

They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder

Then....

Surah 4:43

O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say.....

Then....

Surah 5:90

O ye who believe ! wine and the game of chance and idols and divining arrows are only the abomination of Satan's handiwork. So shun each one of them that you may prosper.

You have to understand that the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came alone as one man. He was bringing a revolution and he was on his own to help bring these people to the straight path. These people needed to slowly change. They needed to change spiritually first before they were to get themselves ready for the more physical laws. However, in today's society you have over 1.5 billion Muslims. If some one converts to Islam, he already has such a huge society filled with Muslims who are willing to support him in his struggle to join Islam, unlike the case when the Prophet first came to preach the Message and he was on his own.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/b ... lcohol.htm

[topiwala]

But still you cannot comment about alcoholism

[ghulam muhammed]

But still you cannot comment about alcoholism

It seems my post went above your head !!