Mazoon Maula is being trageted

[hussaimu]

I dont still understand bhai that which enemy and which such occurance you are pointing to. Secondly all Duat Mutlaqeen has always supported and encouraged Zikre Hussain and fazail of Panjatan in every Majlis and every waaz... They have always kept alive their zikr and performed their sana. Every zaman has different nature and priorities, like I mentioned above about rasulullah era was different , on that time there was a need to do jihad with others , it doesnt mean that every messenger or imam or dai keeps doing the same . They act by the ilham.

[hussaimu]

All Zarih Mubarak of Ahlulbait and panjatan (Ali A.S & Imam Hussain A.S) has been also made by Moula TUS. Mehrab , Masjid of Moula Ali.. and many more qubbah mubaraka as well...

[Humsafar]

Waiting for your answer to this...

yes they are following the same way as the earlier 50 Duat... current Dai has never said to do Baraat from mumin....
Only people are in Baraat bracket who are non mumin... as soon as you are out of misaaq , say and portrait such falsehood you dont remain mumin and come under baraat category.....

Can you show examples of Baraat from the history of the previous 50 Dais, and also where is this prescribed in our Fatimid books? Thanks.

[hussaimu]

and "Humsafar" The concept of Baraat is not from the duat era ...its since Awwal Sani Salis (people who use to act exactly like you ,,, just ADAWAT of Ale Mohammed).so dont come up with something to me which dont have any clue about... you people have kept yourself so away from GOD and have so much ADAWAT in yourself that your comon sense even doesnt work.

[Humsafar]

Can you please elaborate, give examples.

[AMAFHH]

I dont still understand bhai that which enemy and which such occurance you are pointing to. Secondly all Duat Mutlaqeen has always supported and encouraged Zikre Hussain and fazail of Panjatan in every Majlis and every waaz... They have always kept alive their zikr and performed their sana. Every zaman has different nature and priorities, like I mentioned above about rasulullah era was different , on that time there was a need to do jihad with others , it doesnt mean that every messenger or imam or dai keeps doingr an the same . They act by the ilham.

Brother
sorry but not satisfied with your answer to the question

[SBM]

All Zarih Mubarak of Ahlulbait and panjatan (Ali A.S & Imam Hussain A.S) has been also made by Moula TUS. Mehrab , Masjid of Moula Ali.. and many more qubbah mubaraka as well...

CORRECTION : Built with Money taken from Community under duress. Can you tell us what happend to all the gold jewellery they took from every Amte and Abde to build Zarih of Fatema Al Zehra?
Every Masjid or Markaz anywhere is built by local community and every Abde or Amte is forced to pledge units to build and THE GOONS TAKE THE CREDIT AND BRAIN WASHED ABDES LIKE YOU THINK MOULA BUILT IT

[alam]

SBM Bhai
You seem to overlook that invoking "Maula" is another word for I Me, Myself. The majority can hide behind their misdeeds very effectively by invoking "maula". In the same manner, the majority disappear into nothingness by attributing their contributions as belonging to and By invoking "Maula"
And how dare anyone speak against Maula - AKA I, me, myself.
After all, "I" can't be responsible for anything, right? MAULA is everything.

Thoroughly ingrained psyche built with decades of genius brains washing.

[zinger]

I dont still understand bhai that which enemy and which such occurance you are pointing to. Secondly all Duat Mutlaqeen has always supported and encouraged Zikre Hussain and fazail of Panjatan in every Majlis and every waaz... They have always kept alive their zikr and performed their sana. Every zaman has different nature and priorities, like I mentioned above about rasulullah era was different , on that time there was a need to do jihad with others , it doesnt mean that every messenger or imam or dai keeps doingr an the same . They act by the ilham.

Brother
sorry but not satisfied with your answer to the question

AMAFHH bhai... The Popes, 400 or 500 years ago fought in the Holy Crusades did they not? Do you see Pope Francis fighting a Holy War today?

Refer to the first para in the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

What Hussaimu bhai is saying is that the role of the Dai is different in different times.

In times of peace such as these, he has no enemy to fight.

unless you refer to the enemies of Islam as some people on this site then in that case, the war is ongoing

[AMAFHH]

Brother
sorry but not satisfied with your answer to the question

AMAFHH bhai... The Popes, 400 or 500 years ago fought in the Holy Crusades did they not? Do you see Pope Francis fighting a Holy War today?

Refer to the first para in the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

What Hussaimu bhai is saying is that the role of the Dai is different in different times.

In times of peace such as these, he has no enemy to fight.

unless you refer to the enemies of Islam as some people on this site then in that case, the war is ongoing

Brother Zinger/Hussaimu
1. Is the Pope & the Dai on same position ?
you people (specifically bohras) do not even know who are the Enemies of Islam & Ahlulbayt and whom to fight with .also as above you are comparing Islam with Christianity ,Pope's and their followers do not Believe in ONE GOD , do you Bohra's also follow the Same ? if not & if you are claiming the Dai is the Leader and successor of Ahlulbayt then why he is not Defending Islam & Ahlulbayt from their enemies ?
Below are some Enemies in today's world of islam and Ahlulbayt which i have known there are many more
Tell me when have you Dai' spoke or have Peacfully ever protested against them ?
1. Israel ( they are trying to capture & demolish the First Qibla of Islam and in this they have killed millions of Men, women & children
2. Saudia Arabia ( they have used their Wahhabi brand of islam to Kill and terrorize every one in the Muslim World and are Funding the Terrorist Organization in the whole World & these same Family have Destroyed Jannatul Baqi where was your dai at that time did he even Protested the wrong doing of the Saudi Royals , ?

3. U.S.A (Goverment) they have supported the above regimes in all their Wrong doings since last 100 years

!!!!!! If the Holy Prophet of Islam (S.A.W.W) & the Ahlulbayt (A.s) were alive today what would be Their first concern in this World ? What issue would have Occupied Their mind Today ? Brother i am sure & hope you will also be that they would have Stood against the Injustice going on in this World !!!!!!!! (Quoted from a speech of a True Scholar & Shaheed)

so the same responsibility is of the Leader who Claims that He is the Naib of Imam & the Prophet (s.a.w.w)


Brother please get answers to this question if you claim your Dai is appointed by Imam uz zaman

[hussaimu]

Guys the shariat and Iman condition is to first give misaq from open and clean heart . admit and obey , don bring any suspicion in any act of Saheb-e-dawat , believe in things and then ask the reason behind anything you may want to.... you people want your answers first and then you want to decide whether is it right or wrong and according to your thinking and mentality then you will come to the decision to whether you want to come into Iman or not!!!! this will never happen!!!!!! you are the only people who have such forums and discussions because you dont have contentment in your life as you dont have anyone above you... we have our Moula TUS who is our leader for every walk of life and we have contentment in our life.

When I asked you about your Moula ,your religion, your belief and other stuff about your daily life .... you dont want to explore that .. and want to know more and more from me ... expect me to answer everything !!!!! there is an answer for everything whatever you people have asked me so far and asking now ... but you will not get everything you want as you are NOT a MUMIN , if you need to know things follow the HADIS of Rasulullah and pass through the DOOR OF ILM which is ALI A.S and his IMAM A.S and DAI . You dont want to do that and just want to spread ADAWAT among yourself and others.....

Keep doing that ... no problem at all .... keep thinking and have hate in your heart forever. SAFINA -TU-NAJAT will never stop and keep crushing all the waves of FITNAT like you people and keep moving forward. BISMILLAHE MAJRAHA WAMURSAHA......(Ayat which Imam Hussain recited in KERBALA. Ask your moula if you have one about it)keep abusing about whom you dont even have a clue.

I am not going to answer now onwards, answering you is like banging head against the wall.you people are never going to change... dont thing that just because you know alhebait so its enough.... you have to obey the current representer of Rasulullah. You people are worst than Non Muslim as they dont although believe in god but atleast dont abuse GOD.. You people do abuse and will bear consequences soon..

[zinger]

AMAFHH bhai,

There is a difference between comparison and analogy, i gave the analogy of Pope, i did not compare Aqa Maula to Pope

Now, allow me to 'attempt' to answer to your questions as to our 'failure' to defend Islam against enemies

1. Israel - i am not defending them but they are fighting for what is theirs. they have one small plot of land wheras the arabs and palestinians have a lot more place to live in. i am not taking sides, this is a political/social/geographical/historical war and no muslim community is willing to get their hands dirty.

2. Saudi Arabia controls probably half the money in the world. compare that to them having made themselves the "thekedaar" of Islam. do you seriously think a small community like Dawoodi Bohras raise their voice when the rest of the world has kept quiet. sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour. Maybe Engineer Saab raised his voice against it, but for them, he was a gnat. they probably didnt even hear him

3. america is the biggest effing bully in the world. do you expect 1.2 million Dawoodi Bohras to pick a fight with the US

Couple that with the fact that SA and USA are bed buddies with each other anyways. Now go figure that out.

If RasulAllah (SAW) and Ahlul Bayt (AS) were alive today, then there what would their concern be in the world today, according to you?. i sure as heck dont have an answer to such a theoretical question, maybe you can answer it. doubtless you cant. i doubt there is an answer to it

but one thing i can tell you for sure, there would have been no injustice for them to stand up against. with them around, there would be only peace and justice for all in the world. hopefully, this is the answer to your question above

[anajmi]

There is a reason why on the world Islamic stage, the Dawoodi Bohras and their Dai remain insignificant. Whenever there is the next Badr or Uhud or Karbala, the dawoodi bohras will be on the sidelines watching the show and beating themselves.

[SBM]

There is a reason why on the world Islamic stage, the Dawoodi Bohras and their Dai remain insignificant. Whenever there is the next Badr or Uhud or Karbala, the dawoodi bohras will be on the sidelines watching the show and beating themselves.

You donot have to go that far Just look at Gujarat while the DB were looted and burned Syenda and his Goons decided to make peace with Yazid of Gujrat and Abdes called it Hikmaat of Moula TUS
So if there is next Badr or Uhud or Karbala Moula will felicitate the enemy and Abdes will celebrate calling it Hikmaat and Ghaiab Nu Ilm of Moula TUS

[zinger]

Strangely enough, i expected more sensible replies. i guess i was wrong

So SBM bhai, proved it again, mera dushman ka dushman mera dost

[alam]

Almost universally now, (wiht a few exceptions) the politically correct stance for heads of state and religious leaders is the separation of Church and State. From this perspective, it's a no-brainer that neither the Pope nor the Dai would align themselves to any crusade or Jihad. That is just my opinion based on world events today.

So if you ask the representatives of syedna, of course they will say that we are Apolitical and do not get involved. Moreover they always encourage the constituents to stay loyal to their country of citizenship. this is the official, politically correct stance of Non-alignment, akin to separation of church and state.

In is certainly an outrage too see Syedna consorting with the yazids of the day - to "protect" the Bohras. There is a price to it when our leader sells out to the yazids (Modi, saddam).

[alam]

AMAFHH bhai,

There is a difference between comparison and analogy, i gave the analogy of Pope, i did not compare Aqa Maula to Pope

Now, allow me to 'attempt' to answer to your questions as to our 'failure' to defend Islam against enemies

1. Israel - i am not defending them but they are fighting for what is theirs. they have one small plot of land wheras the arabs and palestinians have a lot more place to live in. i am not taking sides, this is a political/social/geographical/historical war and no muslim community is willing to get their hands dirty.

2. Saudi Arabia controls probably half the money in the world. compare that to them having made themselves the "thekedaar" of Islam. do you seriously think a small community like Dawoodi Bohras raise their voice when the rest of the world has kept quiet. sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour. Maybe Engineer Saab raised his voice against it, but for them, he was a gnat. they probably didnt even hear him

3. america is the biggest effing bully in the world. do you expect 1.2 million Dawoodi Bohras to pick a fight with the US

Couple that with the fact that SA and USA are bed buddies with each other anyways. Now go figure that out.

If RasulAllah (SAW) and Ahlul Bayt (AS) were alive today, then there what would their concern be in the world today, according to you?. i sure as heck dont have an answer to such a theoretical question, maybe you can answer it. doubtless you cant. i doubt there is an answer to it

but one thing i can tell you for sure, there would have been no injustice for them to stand up against. with them around, there would be only peace and justice for all in the world. hopefully, this is the answer to your question above

Zingerbhai - your points are reasonable, your conclusion - well a bit pollyannish!

[ghulam muhammed]

AMAFHH bhai,

There is a difference between comparison and analogy, i gave the analogy of Pope, i did not compare Aqa Maula to PopeNow, allow me to 'attempt' to answer to your questions as to our 'failure' to defend Islam against enemies

1. Israel - i am not defending them but they are fighting for what is theirs. they have one small plot of land wheras the arabs and palestinians have a lot more place to live in. i am not taking sides, this is a political/social/geographical/historical war and no muslim community is willing to get their hands dirty.

2. Saudi Arabia controls probably half the money in the world. compare that to them having made themselves the "thekedaar" of Islam. do you seriously think a small community like Dawoodi Bohras raise their voice when the rest of the world has kept quiet. sometimes, discretion is the better part of valour. Maybe Engineer Saab raised his voice against it, but for them, he was a gnat. they probably didnt even hear him

3. america is the biggest effing bully in the world. do you expect 1.2 million Dawoodi Bohras to pick a fight with the US

Bro zinger,
No one expects the Dai and his sons to go all out and wage a war against the enemies of Islam but the least that one could expect is "A word of protest or condemnation", did the Dai ever do this ??? Did he ever make an attempt to align with likeminded groups and put pressure on the enemies ?? Why the hell does he call himself an ambassador of peace and humanity ??