Nazrul Makaam

[AgnosticIndian]

Anyone with info on what's the history behind Nazrul Makam?

Is this system from the time of Zahir Imams right from the beginning or something that was started later?

If its say at least 900 years, has the money been kept to submit to the Imam when he shows up or as the Dai is sole custodian has the discretion to use it the way he wants?

[trvoice]

With all the things going on. I doubt if Imam shows up dai is gonna hand over the entire dawat.

[Maqbool]

Muffadal BS has requested his brothers to go to KQ bs to pursue him to except him as dai. He specifically said that "Najru muqam manine jajo" I think the brothers must have obeyed, But the Najru muqam didn't work in this case.

[true_bohra]

First of all its not najru maqaam. If you cant speak it properly then knowing its meaning is far expected.

[trvoice]

First of all its not najru maqaam. If you cant speak it properly then knowing its meaning is far expected.

Thats what I expect from most yemeni mumineen too. Since they can't speak "dawat ni zabaan"

You and your team of morons can be a little bit respectful and be useful here. Instead of coming to every thread and mocking people you could spread a little bit of knowledge right.

[true_bohra]

Yemenis at least know dawat ni zabaan but you all dont even know what is nazrul maqaam.

You are asking us to be respectful. We are atleast mockin a bunch of hooligans but your so called respectful members of this forum have been abusing the dai and dawat. You dont see that kind of vilification.

[AgnosticIndian]

Problem on this forum is ppl troll away but not answer real questions. Or they don't have answers. Bus Moula ye kidu, Moula ni su shaan !

[true_bohra]

U talking about troll. Better see post of SBM then you would better know who is trolling.

Maula ni shaan toh che pan progressive ae shaan se pareshaan che

[SBM]

U talking about troll. Better see post of SBM then you would better know who is trolling.

Maula ni shaan toh che pan progressive ae shaan se pareshaan che

True TB, I learned trolling from your friend and brother James and Qutbi Hero But I also ask lot of questions but you guys do disappear Let me remind you about some one asking you to post 10 QUALITIES of SMS and no reply but trolling
BTW Moula SMS Progressive ney shaan sey Pareshaan Chey tehe maate Udaipur naa CHAAPA maa advertisement aapey chey kaa Aawo AAwo..

[true_bohra]

progressive ni su shaan????/ hahahahahahah

and why qualities of a Dai be shown to hooligans like you. Still if you want to see what qualities a Dai possess then better go and read nasihat of Syedi Sadiq ali Saheb QR and Syedi Abde Ali Imaduddin QR.

If you cant access then ask you Harvard qualified Ph d holders to show you some. and ya dont try to find out those qualities in KQ...I bet you wont find....

[think]

all dais are not the same. This muffi and his brothers are bad apples.

[Maqbool]

and why qualities of a Dai be shown to hooligans like you. Still if you want to see what qualities a Dai possess then better go and read nasihat of Syedi Sadiq ali Saheb QR and Syedi Abde Ali Imaduddin QR.

Why Syedi Sadiq ali saheb? Just refer what Muffadal BS has said when he failed to his mission to break Udapuries. If you are a real human being you will see his negative quality.

[james]

and why qualities of a Dai be shown to hooligans like you. Still if you want to see what qualities a Dai possess then better go and read nasihat of Syedi Sadiq ali Saheb QR and Syedi Abde Ali Imaduddin QR.

Why Syedi Sadiq ali saheb? Just refer what Muffadal BS has said when he failed to his mission to break Udapuries. If you are a real human being you will see his negative quality.

Whatever he said was "Haq".Whatever he says now is "Haq". Whatever he will say in the future will be "Haq".

[SBM]

Why Syedi Sadiq ali saheb? Just refer what Muffadal BS has said when he failed to his mission to break Udapuries. If you are a real human being you will see his negative quality.

Whatever he said was "Haq".Whatever he says now is "Haq". Whatever he will say in the future will be "Haq".

So how come he did not follow Haq na Mazoon SKQ as appointed by Haq na Dai SMB
So once again was SMB Haq na Dai if appointed a Laanati Mazoon?

[Nafisa]

Once Abde Ali Imaduddin(promoter of 47th Dai Nazim) approached his student, the 1st Nazim (after the sudden death of Syedna Muhammad Badruddin by poison, administered under instigation of Abdulqadir Najmuddin) and requested to help him financially in the construction of his new Haveli. Abdulqadir Najmuddin replied that funds are not enough. Abde Ali Imaduddin suggested him that if he provides him 100,000 Rs. in return he will grant him a perpetual source of income. Abdulqadir Najmuddin agreed and arranged 100,000 Rs for Imaduddin, who in return gave him a new Tax of Silat il Imam. Just a few years ago it was collected only prior to the Khutbah of Eid al Fitr but now clergy make it tax of every occasion of joy and demand Dil Khulee Ney Apoo. Imam Nu Salaam Chey. Hai Imam! He doesn't know that his Dai is enjoying on his name and his Ummat is making fool.
Nazrul Maqaam is also created for the kitchen expenses of “Najmi family” (Qasre Jaali and “Baite Zaani”), because no authentic text of Dawat Kutub has discussed it. Only STS has composed a verse and tried to legalize it.

[monginis]

Once Abde Ali Imaduddin(promoter of 47th Dai Nazim) approached his student, the 1st Nazim (after the sudden death of Syedna Muhammad Badruddin by poison, administered under instigation of Abdulqadir Najmuddin) and requested to help him financially in the construction of his new Haveli. Abdulqadir Najmuddin replied that funds are not enough. Abde Ali Imaduddin suggested him that if he provides him 100,000 Rs. in return he will grant him a perpetual source of income. Abdulqadir Najmuddin agreed and arranged 100,000 Rs for Imaduddin, who in return gave him a new Tax of Silat il Imam. Just a few years ago it was collected only prior to the Khutbah of Eid al Fitr but now clergy make it tax of every occasion of joy and demand Dil Khulee Ney Apoo. Imam Nu Salaam Chey. Hai Imam! He doesn't know that his Dai is enjoying on his name and his Ummat is making fool.
Nazrul Maqaam is also created for the kitchen expenses of “Najmi family” (Qasre Jaali and “Baite Zaani”), because no authentic text of Dawat Kutub has discussed it. Only STS has composed a verse and tried to legalize it.

Thank You Nafisa ben for sharing this information, I always felt some thing fishy about nazrul makaam, specially when we know this money will never reach to IMAM in reality.

from last few years instead of putting money in nazrul makaam, I donate this money to real needy in the name on ALLAH.

In this way we serve Imam more rather than giving away to ayyash ubaash kotharis.

[TheLiberatedOne]

Trust people like True_bohra and James to divert the topic to something else... anybody having some authentic information about Nazrul Makaam, please share..

[humanbeing]

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[humanbeing]

نذر المقام (nazar al-maqaam)

This term is best understood as:

نذر صاحب المقام علية السلام (nazar saheb al-maqaam a.s.)

In English, 'nazar' is called 'votive offering'. It is money or other valuables offered to ward off evil or to gain favor from supernatural forces.

For Bohras, it is 'Offering of money to Maqaam-na Saheb, Imam/Dai' for a similar purpose. It is almost the same as 'mannat' except that offering for 'mannat' depends, I think, on the successful outcome of the event for which 'mannat' is pledged. Whereas 'nazar' is offered with no expectation of success.

"Mannat" does not always involve setting money aside for "Maqaam-na Saheb". It could a pledge for umra or for feeding your jamaat etc.

Needless to say, this superstition is widespread throughout the world and has a very ancient history. Search for "votive offering" or "votive offering in Islam".

And of course, the unscrupulous take advantage of the gullible!