Do you still disagree with DBs?

[Al Zulfiqar]

pesticide, stop diverting awkward questions and answer why your 53rd dai the manhoos, expressed no public sympathy or announce any help and succour to the affected bohras, did not visit any of them and instead ran away to srilanka, while his fellow zaadas and his father continued enjoying lavish ziyafats and collecting crores in salaams?

we are not fooled by your deceit and trickery.

[Hanif]

Progticide wrote:

Maybe it was sheer hatred of our faith or way of life or jealousy for respect and adulation that we receive in the outside world,

Please tell me you are not living in a different world. Look at a few incidents around the world where the Sayednas have created embarasment for the community and then tell me whether this is "respect and adulation":

Tanzania
Sri Lanka
Canadian parliament
Saudi Arabia
British parliament
And as recently as two months ago in Australia where FGM is under investigation.

So please do not say the Progressives are jealous of the DBs because they are respected around the world. Find another reason why the progressives and even the mainstream hypocritical bohoras (who have e jamat cards and bad mouth the Sayedna and his family in this forum) despise the Kothar.

I can give you one reason which is the evil of all things, MONEY! The lust for money! At every turn money is demanded! There is no other religion that demands soooooo much money! Give me one example!

People come to this forum to vent their frustration, including the so-called hypocritical abdes who visit this forum. At least the true progressives have distanced themselves from these parasites, e.g. Engineersaheb, Insafsaheb, Hamdanis, Poonawallas, etc.

[Bohra spring]

pesticide, stop diverting awkward questions and answer why your 53rd dai the manhoos, expressed no public sympathy or announce any help and succour to the affected bohras, did not visit any of them and instead ran away to srilanka, while his fellow zaadas and his father continued enjoying lavish ziyafats and collecting crores in salaams?

we are not fooled by your deceit and trickery.

He is Colombo to setup a disaster response unit close to Australia and is coordinating his history defining response to challenge the few outcast rebels in this isolated continent ....how dare that they think get away.

It is the closest point where his moajiza can arrive like missiles. The Udaipur shabab are enlisting abdes and those progs who can seek salvation.

Pakistan is not a big issue they have always been abdes even with so much problems so no worries.

But if Australia falls what next ?

[ghulam muhammed]

Please tell me you are not living in a different world. Look at a few incidents around the world where the Sayednas have created embarasment for the community and then tell me whether this is "respect and adulation":
Tanzania
Sri Lanka
Canadian parliament
Saudi ArabiaBritish parliament
And as recently as two months ago in Australia where FGM is under investigation.

With reference to the above herein below is a post by Bro AlZulfiqar which appeared on another thread :-

Let us see how respected syedna is.

1. He was kicked out of tanzania about 40 years ago for smuggling diamonds and precious stones in violation of international and Tanzanian customs laws and indulging in massive hera pheri of foreign exchange. It was only after some 20 odd years + hefty bribes + pulling influential strings through well-known lawyers like Advocate Khambalia and MP's that syedna was allowed to re-enter. Even all this would have been in vain, if it hadnt been for the fortuitous departure of President Nyerere, as after regime change, the new corrupt regime needed money to fill its coffers.


2. Syedna was kicked out of saudi arabia in the late 80's and could not visit there for nearly 22 years. It was only after much begging and cajoling that he was allowed to enter but put under strict restrictions of speech and movements. Only some few people were allowed to land with him at the jeddah airport, no show-sha, no naarabaazi and no public appearances. Not a single saudi govt official went to visit him or gave him any importance.


3. The syedna has been cited as a tyrannical leader who oppresses, exploits and inflicts persecution on his community, who does not discourage violent opposition on those who raise dissenting voices against him or his repressive and extortionist policies; by 2 different independent judicial commissions constituted by the Indian govt. These 2 commissions, the nathwani commission and the tewatia commission, comprised of highly respected supreme court judges who travelled all over india, met with affected parties on both sides and after a long and ardous study published their lenghthy and impartial report. Both these reports were tabled in parliament and are part of official govt records which anyone can access.


4. The syedna had to submit an official apology in writing and on national tv in india, after he openly uttered laanats on the first 3 khalifas in Bombay during moharram and 6 bohras were killed and crores worth of bohra properties destroyed. He was forced by the maharashtra govt of the time and the other muslim leaders to do so or else they would file criminal cases against him for uttering inflammatory speeches and inciting communal disharmony and riots.


5. His brother Yusuf najmuddin was murdered in Egypt by land mafias for cheating them and getting involved in underhand illegal dealings.


6. After his visit to dubai some ten years ago for moharram tamasha, the dubai jamaat was fined 10 million dirhams= 12 crore rupees, as over 3000 bohras stayed back illegally and absconded. Moreover bohras looted hotel property, were caught shoplifting and some bohra women were even caught for prostitution. This was a serious loss of credibility for syedna who claims to have ghaib nu ilm, and for bohras in general. The privileges given to bohras during that event have been withdrawn and syedna has not been granted permission again to hold such an event again in dubai.


7. Legal cases have been mounted against syedna for inciting mobs to murder his own 4 ustaads, for desecrating graves of reformist bohras and throwing their naked corpses out on the street, for looking on silently while bohra women of Udaipur were being assaulted in his presence, for excommunicating bohras who refuse to follow his unislamic diktats etc etc. many of these cases are still in courts, deliberately stalled by syedna’s counsel by use of money, threats and delaying tactics.


8. He is the only religious/spiritual leader in the world who has the shaukh of hunting wild animals of endangered species for his pleasure as a sport. Ordinary people, most of them criminals, may indulge in bribing corrupt officials and murder elephants, lions and big game, but there is no parallel in modern history of any religious head who is gleefully violating Allah’s commandments himself as clearly spelt out in the quran!

As for comparing him with dalai lama, here is a quick comparison.

Universal Recognition :-

His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a man of peace. In 1989 he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his non-violent struggle for the liberation of Tibet. He has consistently advocated policies of non-violence, even in the face of extreme aggression. He also became the first Nobel Laureate to be recognized for his concern for global environmental problems.


Since 1959 His Holiness Dalai Lama has received over 84 awards, honorary doctorates, prizes, etc., in recognition of his message of peace, non-violence, inter-religious understanding, universal responsibility and compassion. His Holiness has also authored more than 72 books. He has been awarded Honorary citizenship in 3 different countries, incl. Canada and due to his message of love and peace even under extreme persecution, many prominent personalities in Hollywood, media industry and athletics alongwith thousands of ordinary westerners have converted to Buddhism. He lives and breathes the life of a simple buddhist ascetic monk, shuns pomp and show and travels like a simple, humble human being.

Compare that with the life of syedna who has never converted a single non-bohra in his entire lifetime, enjoys and demands pomp, show and royalty treatment, cultivates the company only of super rich bohras, honours criminals like narendra modi, bal thackeray and the mafia goons of bombay when they were in power, claims infallibility and the ability to perform miracles, claims to grant us an automatic passport into jannah, exhorts us to shower our last penny on him and yet cannot see or won’t act on the corruption in our community.

The dai is not infalible (masum), were never infallible and cannot claim to be infallible as haq na saheb etc. If that was true, the daim ul islam written by syedna kazi noman (an ordinary dai himself) under the orders of imam mustansir billah, would not have an elaborate and lengthy list of 100 qualifications that a dai is supposed to possess, without which a dai, if he has been wrongly appointed or has gone astray, is labelled a liability to islam and to his flock.

Bohras blind faith in the fairy tales dished out to them about the dai and syedna as the present dai are misplaced, wrong, and absolutely not a part of our faith or even islam. The ideas that bohras propagate are unislamic and full of shirk. They need to correct themselves. Either you follow islam and our deen as set out in daim ul islam or you follow a cult led by the syedna, but then don’t try to confuse or merge the 2 at all.

[ghulam muhammed]

While DBs are grieving at the loss of their fellow brethren, reformists are jumping with joy and jubilation at the slaughter of innocent mumineen. Why shouldn't they?

Forget about what DBs and reformists feel about the attack but see how their future leader, the great manhoos mourns the death of innocent bohras...........Just a day after the blast, the manhoos attended a GRAND procession and Wedding of one Mulla Yusufbhai, son of Shk Huzefa Shk Mohamedali in sri lanka. The day after, he took Ziafat from mumenin of colombo !! Now who is jumping with joy and jubiliation at the slaughter of innocent mumineen ???

[pheonix]

Please tell me you are not living in a different world. Look at a few incidents around the world where the Sayednas have created embarasment for the community and then tell me whether this is "respect and adulation":
Tanzania
Sri Lanka
Canadian parliament
Saudi ArabiaBritish parliament
And as recently as two months ago in Australia where FGM is under investigation.

With reference to the above herein below is a post by Bro AlZulfiqar which appeared on another thread :-

Let us see how respected syedna is.

1. He was kicked out of tanzania about 40 years ago for smuggling diamonds and precious stones in violation of international and Tanzanian customs laws and indulging in massive hera pheri of foreign exchange. It was only after some 20 odd years + hefty bribes + pulling influential strings through well-known lawyers like Advocate Khambalia and MP's that syedna was allowed to re-enter. Even all this would have been in vain, if it hadnt been for the fortuitous departure of President Nyerere, as after regime change, the new corrupt regime needed money to fill its coffers.


2. Syedna was kicked out of saudi arabia in the late 80's and could not visit there for nearly 22 years. It was only after much begging and cajoling that he was allowed to enter but put under strict restrictions of speech and movements. Only some few people were allowed to land with him at the jeddah airport, no show-sha, no naarabaazi and no public appearances. Not a single saudi govt official went to visit him or gave him any importance.


3. The syedna has been cited as a tyrannical leader who oppresses, exploits and inflicts persecution on his community, who does not discourage violent opposition on those who raise dissenting voices against him or his repressive and extortionist policies; by 2 different independent judicial commissions constituted by the Indian govt. These 2 commissions, the nathwani commission and the tewatia commission, comprised of highly respected supreme court judges who travelled all over india, met with affected parties on both sides and after a long and ardous study published their lenghthy and impartial report. Both these reports were tabled in parliament and are part of official govt records which anyone can access.


4. The syedna had to submit an official apology in writing and on national tv in india, after he openly uttered laanats on the first 3 khalifas in Bombay during moharram and 6 bohras were killed and crores worth of bohra properties destroyed. He was forced by the maharashtra govt of the time and the other muslim leaders to do so or else they would file criminal cases against him for uttering inflammatory speeches and inciting communal disharmony and riots.


5. His brother Yusuf najmuddin was murdered in Egypt by land mafias for cheating them and getting involved in underhand illegal dealings.


6. After his visit to dubai some ten years ago for moharram tamasha, the dubai jamaat was fined 10 million dirhams= 12 crore rupees, as over 3000 bohras stayed back illegally and absconded. Moreover bohras looted hotel property, were caught shoplifting and some bohra women were even caught for prostitution. This was a serious loss of credibility for syedna who claims to have ghaib nu ilm, and for bohras in general. The privileges given to bohras during that event have been withdrawn and syedna has not been granted permission again to hold such an event again in dubai.


7. Legal cases have been mounted against syedna for inciting mobs to murder his own 4 ustaads, for desecrating graves of reformist bohras and throwing their naked corpses out on the street, for looking on silently while bohra women of Udaipur were being assaulted in his presence, for excommunicating bohras who refuse to follow his unislamic diktats etc etc. many of these cases are still in courts, deliberately stalled by syedna’s counsel by use of money, threats and delaying tactics.


8. He is the only religious/spiritual leader in the world who has the shaukh of hunting wild animals of endangered species for his pleasure as a sport. Ordinary people, most of them criminals, may indulge in bribing corrupt officials and murder elephants, lions and big game, but there is no parallel in modern history of any religious head who is gleefully violating Allah’s commandments himself as clearly spelt out in the quran!

As for comparing him with dalai lama, here is a quick comparison.

Universal Recognition :-

His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a man of peace. In 1989 he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his non-violent struggle for the liberation of Tibet. He has consistently advocated policies of non-violence, even in the face of extreme aggression. He also became the first Nobel Laureate to be recognized for his concern for global environmental problems.


Since 1959 His Holiness Dalai Lama has received over 84 awards, honorary doctorates, prizes, etc., in recognition of his message of peace, non-violence, inter-religious understanding, universal responsibility and compassion. His Holiness has also authored more than 72 books. He has been awarded Honorary citizenship in 3 different countries, incl. Canada and due to his message of love and peace even under extreme persecution, many prominent personalities in Hollywood, media industry and athletics alongwith thousands of ordinary westerners have converted to Buddhism. He lives and breathes the life of a simple buddhist ascetic monk, shuns pomp and show and travels like a simple, humble human being.

Compare that with the life of syedna who has never converted a single non-bohra in his entire lifetime, enjoys and demands pomp, show and royalty treatment, cultivates the company only of super rich bohras, honours criminals like narendra modi, bal thackeray and the mafia goons of bombay when they were in power, claims infallibility and the ability to perform miracles, claims to grant us an automatic passport into jannah, exhorts us to shower our last penny on him and yet cannot see or won’t act on the corruption in our community.

The dai is not infalible (masum), were never infallible and cannot claim to be infallible as haq na saheb etc. If that was true, the daim ul islam written by syedna kazi noman (an ordinary dai himself) under the orders of imam mustansir billah, would not have an elaborate and lengthy list of 100 qualifications that a dai is supposed to possess, without which a dai, if he has been wrongly appointed or has gone astray, is labelled a liability to islam and to his flock.

Bohras blind faith in the fairy tales dished out to them about the dai and syedna as the present dai are misplaced, wrong, and absolutely not a part of our faith or even islam. The ideas that bohras propagate are unislamic and full of shirk. They need to correct themselves. Either you follow islam and our deen as set out in daim ul islam or you follow a cult led by the syedna, but then don’t try to confuse or merge the 2 at all.

Isnt this the same DALAI Lama who remained mum despite his followers killing thousands of muslims in BURMA. so much for a man of peace.
@GM whenever you open you mouth shit comes and it stinks.

[Bohra spring]

Phoenix before you throw words around can you check ..dalai lama is not the head of Myanmar Buddhist

Instead of me pasting do a search who is dalai lama!

[Al Zulfiqar]

bhai noorani,

while we appreciate your way with words and your poetic talent, what is not appreciated is your repeated use of vulgarity. i am surprised why admin has still not seen fit to correct you and even more surprised that none of the members of the forum have pointed this out to you.

please do not fall to the level of the uncouth abdes and kothari goons, as all your efforts then amount to nothing.

[ghulam muhammed]

Isnt this the same DALAI Lama who remained mum despite his followers killing thousands of muslims in BURMA. so much for a man of peace.
@GM whenever you open you mouth shit comes and it stinks.

Firstly, you dont have the balls to engage in any debate point by point hence you come with one liners which is nothing but shit. Secondly, I have already stated that the subject post was the one which was posted by bro AlZulfiqar some time back, hence you need to vent out your frustrations at him but Aha ! you are no match for him.

Lastly, please brush your teeth regularly as you always have the problem of smelling shit everywhere which in fact comes out from your own mouth !!

[mnoorani]

bhai noorani,

while we appreciate your way with words and your poetic talent, what is not appreciated is your repeated use of vulgarity. i am surprised why admin has still not seen fit to correct you and even more surprised that none of the members of the forum have pointed this out to you.

please do not fall to the level of the uncouth abdes and kothari goons, as all your efforts then amount to nothing.

Zulfiqar Bhai,
I appreciate criticism, But tell me what was so vulgar about my post ?
I had used asterix, and On these very pages you have used foul words as well.
TC
Mnoorani

[Al Zulfiqar]

bhai noorani,

let us not get into semantics here. you very well know what i mean and i will not repeat the word which you have used frequently, with or without asterisks. it refers to a particular part of the human anatomy.

if i do use strong words sometimes, they are still perfectly legitimate, are very much an integral part of the classical language and cannot be classified as 'street level vulgarity' which emanates from slang. if you have noticed any such words, please kindly bring them to my notice.

i do not expect you to go on the defensive, you are a very smart and reasonable man who expresses very succinctly in a few lines what most struggle to do in paragraphs. that is a unique gift and you are a great addition to this forum. we welcome your contributions as they inject a humorous air with lots of punches aimed at the right people.