Do you still disagree with DBs?

[progticide]

While many of the reformists would dismiss this post with the same apathy and rejection which they have demonstrated on every other sensitive issue concerning DB faith, my address here is to the few reformist members who still show sensitivity and sensibility toward matters critical to the well-being of the Ismaili Tayyebi communities in general and DBs in particular.

Only a few months ago, there was an intense debate between DBs and Reformists on the issue of restrictions on access to DB websites and contents. Probably, since the time this forum was created, reformists members have been asking questions such as: Why knowledge pertaining to DB faith not freely disseminated? Why DB literature is not published openly today when there is no threat to the faith? Why DB doctrines not propagated openly in today’s free world? Why restriction on the access to allegorical/esoteric works and learning in today’s time of freedom and globalisation? Why closed room Sabaqs in the age of computers and Internet? Why this notion of “Tawil nu bayaan chhe” for sensitive issues concerning Ismaili Tayyebi faith? Why selective dissemination of higher DB knowledge? Etc...

Whereas some members of the Reformists community understood the sensitive nature of the subject and the underlying threats and dangers and thus disapproved of the publication of such literature on their website earlier, some others showed complete indifference to the harm it could result in.

Some members of this forum who do not share DB/Shia beliefs and have a totally different set of beliefs are constantly inciting and provoking members on this forum into debates and discussions with a single-point agenda to make them divulge the allegorical and esoteric DB doctrines. These members show least respect or reverence for DB and Islamic dignitaries including Panjatan Pak A.S., and their sole agenda on this forum is to mock and provoke DBs. In the name of freedom of speech on this forum they get a right to insult anyone and everyone, mock and disrespect every article of DB faith, criticise every action of DBs which does not even concern their life or livelihood and pretend as if they are victims of the atrocities of a tiny community who they don’t even belong to or follow anymore.

Another member of this forum is busy writing articles on DB history, doctrines treatises, which he can hardly defend thereafter with absolute rationality and logic, which should not be discussed or debated on open forums, but yet he has a free run on this site, perhaps caring least about the consequences of his actions for others who are innocent and oblivious of his mischief.

Some members have absolutely no work but to despise and criticise every action and activity of the DB administration. I am sure they would not hesitate to even criticise the distribution of packaged flavoured Milk as Niyaaz tabarruk during Muharram by suggesting that canned fruit juice would have been a better option but that the Mohalla Sabeel committee had so and so Bhaisaheb as its secretary and therefore Milk was distributed because the cows and buffaloes offered more najwas to the Bhaisaheb. These people have problem with anything & everything that Dai, Mansoos and other dawat dignitaries do or don’t do. Their hatred has crossed and surpassed all bounds of decency and rationale. Yet there is no one from the reformists to reign in their behaviour and conduct, even atleast saying that “you are over-doing” or “you are crossing limits”. These are the people who wasted no time in even holding the Mansoos responsible for this tragic incident. They forget that the Dai and other dignitaries have been visiting this city numerous times before during more troubled and bloody episodes of violence.

We do not know yet what motivated the perpetrators of the crime to inflict death and injury to a peace-loving and innocent community. Maybe it was sheer hatred of our faith or way of life or jealousy for respect and adulation that we receive in the outside world, or financial motives in that part of the world, or perhaps resurfacing of centuries old enmity towards our beliefs and doctrines. Whatever is the motive, it has made one point clear, we are still vulnerable. So, for all the bravado that the members of this forum exhibit when it comes to discussing, debating & publishing Ismaili Tayyebi beliefs and doctrines, remember your actions may have unwarranted consequences and may bring unnecessary and unwelcomed plight for people in other corners of the world where we are still sitting ducks for terrorists and extremists. I hope those who are behind this cowardly and evil crime would have never heard of this forum, never visited this forum, never had view of the articles and publications on this forum. But if this is true, it is still time for reformists to quickly clean-up the trash that is lying here. Imagine if some people who might have never visited this forum committed such a hateful and fatal attack against DBs, what would follow if they get access to the articles and publications freely available on this forum?. Who would be responsible for the consequences then?

We may not be fully- capable to stop those who are intent and determined on hurting us and damaging our life and property, but we may take precautions and preventive measures to protect and safeguard our life and property and that of others to the extent we can. One of those measures that has ensured our safety and well-being over centuries and generations is the deliberate obscurity of our allegorical and esoteric beliefs and doctrines to the outside world. The veil of secrecy about our articles of faith expounded by our Imams and Dais have not been without necessary and sufficient reasons. Let us not compromise with this strategy.

The intelligent among us would understand the gist of the above article and the purpose and direction of the message. For the mischief-mongers and outsiders who care least about Bohra well-being, this article simply isn’t meant for you.

[MM Bukhari]

first thing bohras shud wipe out is the entire system of raza and baraat, bohras killed in karachi are noticed coz blood was shed, but kothaar is closed eyes about the bohra killing every day on devris of every city and town.

bohras are killed financially and emotionally by this thugs on daily basis, yet no action is taken from kothaar or syedna till now, infact these people are given support to loot more,

one of my cousin who is now on amalat in maharastra is a big cheat and looted almost every city he has visited but yet he has been given permission to loot more and no action taken against him YET.

so in general it is eeasy to figure out how many amil are looting poor bohras and killing them daily, and that tooo under supervision of syedna and his mansoos.

look every sunni and wahabi knows ismaili belief so i dont think bohras in karachi are killed coz of literature present on this website, but this killing happens coz when shia of pakistan was killed bohras were busy enjoying feast and being blind eye towards there hardship.

sensitivity is gone long back from this community and if stil isnt stoped at this point more killing is on the way.

[MM Bukhari]

I mean just please explain me for GOD sake, how can a DAI afford to celebrate his birthday with crores of rupees when its a open truth that many bohras are still living under poverty line.

for GOD sake list me some schools,hospitals,or some orphange house in bohra community which are running feesabilillah?

so what exactly is DAI doing with crores of zakaat money from community?

[MM Bukhari]

DAI is suppose to be a mirror IMAGE of Imaam uz zamaan and panjatan paak(s), now I cant even dream that Imam Ali or Hussain would ever agree on such birthday bashes and world tours in first class.

[MM Bukhari]

for GOD sake, once in a life speak truth and have some mercy in your heart for the people who are looking at you for help and guidance.

[zulfikar123]

And since mansoos is in Karachi, I sincerly hope and pray that he visit the victims houses for condolences instead of giving ziayfats for a change..

This will help take away some of the pain faced by the victims family....

[mnoorani]

Maara naam ne tame na badnaam karo
Maara bawa na deen ne na tame halaaq karo
Mara Shauhar na tame shia cho
Juutho ilzaam tame lagaao cho
Mara Hasnain ye to bhuka ne jamaara
Tame to qaum ma bhuka ne wadhaara
Khauf nathi to thori sharm raakho
Khuraak hathi ,bas jau no aato.
Hathi maraa pase Fadak ni Maaliki
Pan be jodi kapra ma zindagi nikali
Koi mumin ,mukhlis naa rahe bhuki
Ej maqsad ma maari jaagir waapri
Waqt che kam, tame sudhri jaao
Maraa naam thi jhuti daawat na chalao.

[asad]

And since mansoos is in Karachi, I sincerly hope and pray that he visit the victims houses for condolences instead of giving ziayfats for a change..

This will help take away some of the pain faced by the victims family....

Mansoos is long gone. he is in Lanka

[fearAllah]

While many of the reformists would dismiss this post with the same apathy and rejection which they have demonstrated on every other sensitive issue concerning DB faith, my address here is to the few reformist members who still show sensitivity and sensibility toward matters critical to the well-being of the Ismaili Tayyebi communities in general and DBs in particular.

Only a few months ago, there was an intense debate between DBs and Reformists on the issue of restrictions on access to DB websites and contents. Probably, since the time this forum was created, reformists members have been asking questions such as: Why knowledge pertaining to DB faith not freely disseminated? Why DB literature is not published openly today when there is no threat to the faith? Why DB doctrines not propagated openly in today’s free world? Why restriction on the access to allegorical/esoteric works and learning in today’s time of freedom and globalisation? Why closed room Sabaqs in the age of computers and Internet? Why this notion of “Tawil nu bayaan chhe” for sensitive issues concerning Ismaili Tayyebi faith? Why selective dissemination of higher DB knowledge? Etc...

Whereas some members of the Reformists community understood the sensitive nature of the subject and the underlying threats and dangers and thus disapproved of the publication of such literature on their website earlier, some others showed complete indifference to the harm it could result in.

Some members of this forum who do not share DB/Shia beliefs and have a totally different set of beliefs are constantly inciting and provoking members on this forum into debates and discussions with a single-point agenda to make them divulge the allegorical and esoteric DB doctrines. These members show least respect or reverence for DB and Islamic dignitaries including Panjatan Pak A.S., and their sole agenda on this forum is to mock and provoke DBs. In the name of freedom of speech on this forum they get a right to insult anyone and everyone, mock and disrespect every article of DB faith, criticise every action of DBs which does not even concern their life or livelihood and pretend as if they are victims of the atrocities of a tiny community who they don’t even belong to or follow anymore.

Another member of this forum is busy writing articles on DB history, doctrines treatises, which he can hardly defend thereafter with absolute rationality and logic, which should not be discussed or debated on open forums, but yet he has a free run on this site, perhaps caring least about the consequences of his actions for others who are innocent and oblivious of his mischief.

Some members have absolutely no work but to despise and criticise every action and activity of the DB administration. I am sure they would not hesitate to even criticise the distribution of packaged flavoured Milk as Niyaaz tabarruk during Muharram by suggesting that canned fruit juice would have been a better option but that the Mohalla Sabeel committee had so and so Bhaisaheb as its secretary and therefore Milk was distributed because the cows and buffaloes offered more najwas to the Bhaisaheb. These people have problem with anything & everything that Dai, Mansoos and other dawat dignitaries do or don’t do. Their hatred has crossed and surpassed all bounds of decency and rationale. Yet there is no one from the reformists to reign in their behaviour and conduct, even atleast saying that “you are over-doing” or “you are crossing limits”. These are the people who wasted no time in even holding the Mansoos responsible for this tragic incident. They forget that the Dai and other dignitaries have been visiting this city numerous times before during more troubled and bloody episodes of violence.

We do not know yet what motivated the perpetrators of the crime to inflict death and injury to a peace-loving and innocent community. Maybe it was sheer hatred of our faith or way of life or jealousy for respect and adulation that we receive in the outside world, or financial motives in that part of the world, or perhaps resurfacing of centuries old enmity towards our beliefs and doctrines. Whatever is the motive, it has made one point clear, we are still vulnerable. So, for all the bravado that the members of this forum exhibit when it comes to discussing, debating & publishing Ismaili Tayyebi beliefs and doctrines, remember your actions may have unwarranted consequences and may bring unnecessary and unwelcomed plight for people in other corners of the world where we are still sitting ducks for terrorists and extremists. I hope those who are behind this cowardly and evil crime would have never heard of this forum, never visited this forum, never had view of the articles and publications on this forum. But if this is true, it is still time for reformists to quickly clean-up the trash that is lying here. Imagine if some people who might have never visited this forum committed such a hateful and fatal attack against DBs, what would follow if they get access to the articles and publications freely available on this forum?. Who would be responsible for the consequences then?

We may not be fully- capable to stop those who are intent and determined on hurting us and damaging our life and property, but we may take precautions and preventive measures to protect and safeguard our life and property and that of others to the extent we can. One of those measures that has ensured our safety and well-being over centuries and generations is the deliberate obscurity of our allegorical and esoteric beliefs and doctrines to the outside world. The veil of secrecy about our articles of faith expounded by our Imams and Dais have not been without necessary and sufficient reasons. Let us not compromise with this strategy.

The intelligent among us would understand the gist of the above article and the purpose and direction of the message. For the mischief-mongers and outsiders who care least about Bohra well-being, this article simply isn’t meant for you.

Phewwwwwwwwww Man!!!

You must be an anaesthesian by proffesion.....

[Humsafar]

Pesticide, you do live up to your name, don't you? I've not seen a more toxic and insidious post blaming reformists and this site for the attack on innocent Bohras in Karachi. What you're insinuating is poppycock, and you know that. If you want to prevent terrorists attacks against our community then tell your masters to end their unIslamic practices. Bohras claim to believe in Islam but are forced by mafia clergy to worship humans. You think terrorists are not aware of that? Your masters are so shameless and arrogant that they don't even pretend to hide such practices from public view. Terrorists do not have to come to this site and read up secret DB doctrines to determine that Bohras are mushriks. They can see that in plain sight, every day: how Bohras behave like a herd and cult, how they hang pictures of their Dais in their shops and homes and worship them, how they dress the same and behave like slaves, and celebrate the birthday of their god-on-earth for days on end. This is what terrorists see and this where you should divert your toxic attention to.
And before you come here and sheepishly pontificate, please consider how your masters have reacted to this dastardly attack? Not a peep of condemnation against the perpetrators and/or a word of sympathy for the victims. What kind of leaders are they. Whatever happened to Aqa Muala and Mansoos' beshumar love and rehmat for their farzando? We wonder what story of hikmat you and your masters will now spin to justify their shameless silence and apathy. Don't you guys have even an iota of compassion? What is more alarming is that how blind, brain-dead and close-minded Bohras can be to not to see through this whole scam. And if they do see it then what is it that will make them find their voice, their feet and do something about it.

[think]

cant believe instead of muffi moua helping and doing what he can as a muslim to help mumineen he sneaked out of the country as fast as he could. shame on him.

[ozmujaheed]

Sneaked to Lanka , another fleecing ground.

Mansoos knows time is money and if hangs around Karachi , ziafats will be interrupted as abdes will be scared, the police investigations may accidentally pickup some of their money transactions ...so he must have spoken to his snakes in his sapnoo and decided ...run run BHagh Bhagh...

I hope as he tries to sneak into India ....our determined progs are waiting at the airport with a welcoming party made up of dignitaries like customs, tax collectors , counter terrorism squads , news limited owned Indian media

[Al Zulfiqar]

my first reaction on hearing about the attacks on innocent bohras in karachi in a predominantly bohra locality was of shock and sadness, but my immediate second reaction was "o teri, here goes the kamai from ziyafats and kadambosi's down the drain for the manhoos!"

instead of sticking around to console and help the affected bohras in every way possible, what does the mojiza na saheb manhoos do? he high tails it to sri lanka, where the pickings will be definitely better, no loot having been undertaken there since last 5 years or more!

su eni niraali shaan che!!!!

and pesticide? he blames the reformists by writing a long winded rambling post!!!! on the flip side, pesticide and fellow fanatic slaves, tremble in your pants, because as per your own admission, the reformists have now engaged the taleban, the sipah e sahaba, and the lashkare e jhangvi to bring the robbers and brigands of saifee mahal to book.

thats your conclusion, not ours,

[ghulam muhammed]

The final message of progticide's post is to "HIDE" your belief. One wonders where would Islam be if our Prophet (s.a.w.) chose to hide his beliefs although conditions at that time were much more dangerous then what it is now. Prophet (s.a.w.) was surrounded by idol worshippers who were ruthless in their approach and even went to the extent of burying their own female child alive. Did He (s.a.w.) hid his faith or chose to propagate the same openly ? And here we have his so called followers who prefer to hide their beliefs. The ones who hide their faith are the ones whose beliefs are on shaky ground and are guilty of wrongdoings. Faith is something which one professes openly and is proud of. Are bohras not proud of their ismaili/tayabi beliefs ? In that case, hindus are better who proudly say "Garv se kaho hum hindu hai" !!

What bohras need to "Hide" is their extravaganza by way of the highly publicised mohurrum tamashas, the unneccesary spending of crores of rupees for dai's salgirahs and urus, their open display of shirk by standing with folded hands and kissing feet of even the low rung tiny zaadas and the crores collected by way of marathon ziafats, mafsusiyats and hadiyats. But can they do it ? The answer should be a resounding NO because the dai and his mansoos are power hungry people who crave for publicity, they are cult leaders who need to keep their followers focussed on them, they cannot afford to deviate the focus on anything else other then themselves.

[MM Bukhari]

I knew progticide will run away without replying any of my posts, this is the same thing happened with ADAM, when I asked him some logical questions about ZAKAAT he got vanished in air, without replying any of those questions.

[progticide]

While DBs are grieving at the loss of their fellow brethren, reformists are jumping with joy and jubilation at the slaughter of innocent mumineen. Why shouldn't they? Afterall, they don't like anything about DBs, neither their Dai, nor the Mansoos, nor the Amils, nor the majalis, nor the Niyaaz, nor the gatherings, nor the mournings, nor the matam, nor the beliefs, nor the knowledge, nor the titles, nor the doctrines, nor the sabaqs, nor the dress, nor the food, nor the administration, nor their namaaz, nor their literature, nor their donations, nor their obligations, nor their surroundings, nor their masjids, nor their history, nor their present, nor their devotion, nor their commitments, nor their social life, nor their cultural life, nor their charity, nor their devotional contributions, nor their men's topi, nor their women's Rida, nor their love for Prophets, nor their love for Imams, nor their love for Dais, nor their educational institutions, nor their hospitals, nor their jamaats, nor their mazaars. For someone who hate anything that has a DB-affiliation, the sense of joy and delight for them at the suffering of DBs is no surprise. Behind all the above rant and false show of sympathy, the huge smile and grin on your faces at the news of DB slaughter is ostensible.

I have already mentioned in the post above that this article is simply not meant for DB haters.

However, I am still sure that there are a few among the reformist who have understood the underlying message of the above article. If they have received the message, then my objective is served. They know what to do now.

For all others, continue with your usual crap.

[MM Bukhari]

^I am not a reformist, in fact a very active community member in my jamaat, but I do have concern about the things i have wrote above, can u please reply to each of my concerns?

[ozmujaheed]

Ptocide. If you think you can sling the terrorism mud and associating that people are rejoicing the events in Karachi on reformist and anyone who resists your ortho suppressive ideology, you can try but is along bow.

Karachi events are abhorring disgusting whether the victims are bohris or Pakistanis. The message humsafar tried to relay is that the extremists will not find it difficult to associate the bohra rituals to those of deviant sects that they are making tar gets.

If anyone reading is misunderstanding that we are exploiting the sufferings of Pakistani bohras than apologies that is not the intent. We are criticizing the actions of Mansoos such as his pagan rituals which are unnecessarily making bohras targets. Especially when we know these rituals are additions to the initial faith and a dent on the Islamic ideology. We are i,plying that mansoos and abdes in pakistan are like a smoker walking into a petrol station with a cigarette , it will explode. You can only blame the smoker if there was a fire and he was hurt.

Let me caution you that if you make these statements to scare away the fringe abdes from converting to progs, well it may work on some but if your drawing external attention such that people think we are terrorist sympathizers. You are wrong . In any case you will not reduce our resolve to replace the Mansoos regime with an alternative leadership that is based on modern, secular and democratic principles closely aligned to the true spirit of Mohammed SAW Islam which is comparable to 21st century aspirations and realities.

[fearAllah]

^I am not a reformist, in fact a very active community member in my jamaat, but I do have concern about the things i have wrote above, can u please reply to each of my concerns?

Bukhari bhai, this idiot very well knows that more than 50% of the members in this forum are active members with E-jamat card (Jannat pass card) including myself but he has always tried to ignore this fact, he is suffering from some kind of mental problem....just ignore him otherwise reading his post will make you feel the same as watching Mithun Chakroboty's movies of the late 1990's

[aliabbas_aa]

progcide,

By agreeing to having "secret interpretations"you have confirmed our assertions that dawoodi bohra religion is nothing but an ofshoot from Islam like bahai, Ismaili and Alaviite. And hence does not even count in 73 sects.

[Humsafar]

While DBs are grieving at the loss of their fellow brethren...

And how are DBs - the degenerate bohras - grieving? Has there been any condolence meetings, any official or even private expression of grief and condemnation? Has there been any extra matam session for this purpose? Anything? Even a small, insignificant gesture to show that the degenerate bohras and their degenerate leaders are grieving? Has the mansoos and the zadaas given up just one ziyafat - just one - in honour of the dead?
You shameless, depraved kothari shill you think you can gloss over your masters immorality by saying that reformists are rejoicing. We're not kamzarf like you and your masters, we will not rejoice even on the death of our worst enemies. If you detect underlying glee in our posts here, it is not for the dead, but for the fact that once again we're proven right. Once again the world can see how depraved and evil and heartless and apathetic your masters are. They loot their innocent and hapless followers blind, turn them into slaves and mushriks and then leave them exposed and vulnerable to terrorist attacks. And when they are killed there is nary a word of sympathy or succor. Instead ziayafat and jashns go on as if nothing has happened. What is wrong with you people? Are you even human?

[Al Zulfiqar]

all of pesticide's attempts seem to blame the reformists for everything.

blame the reformists for the atrocities committed against bohras of karachi.

blame the reformists if his slave masters do not express any sympathy or extend any help to the affected bohras.

blame the reformists if manhoos high-tailed it to sri lanka, the killed and injured bohras of karachi be damned.

very clever pesticide! you have learnt well at the feet of your mafia slave masters: when cornered, abuse, obfuscate, divert, counter-accuse, indulge in mud-slinging and finally conjure up lies and half-truths. and when all these tricks fail? employ goondas to assault, intimidate and eliminate any dissenting voices.

pesticide, it appears that you exist in some sort of quixotic world of fantasy, with you as don quixote and adam your trusted sidekick sancho panza, alongwith a motley crew of rabble rousers to egg you idiots on, retards like phoenix, gulf, pig, frog, bird and other haiwans.

[badrijanab]

By agreeing to having "secret interpretations"you have confirmed our assertions that dawoodi bohra religion is nothing but an ofshoot from Islam like bahai, Ismaili and Alaviite. And hence does not even count in 73 sects.

By agreeing to having "secret interpretations" DB confirms logical assertions that dawoodi bohra religion is nothing but only true Islam. And hence does not even count in 72 sects; because they all will go to hell. And only one sect will go to pradise that is DB.

[ghulam muhammed]

While DBs are grieving at the loss of their fellow brethren, reformists are jumping with joy and jubilation at the slaughter of innocent mumineen.

Kindly show a single evidence to prove that DB's or their masters and their mafia clan is grieving at the loss of their fellow brethren. On the contrary I can prove that the dai, his mansoos and other insignificant zaadas were feasting on ziyafats on the day of bombing and continue to do so on a daily basis even after the bombings with no remorse whatsoever.

[pheonix]

@Progiticide I second your post with an addition that we adbes too should now refrain from commenting on this forum or any other open social media, with any sort of religious connotations. People like you,Adam and myself have been guilty too in indulging in futile debates with these Akmaks in the past. I myself would begin by taking my own advice and refrain from any sort of religious debates.

[ozmujaheed]

P & p good idea we don't need your comments. This is not a court or debate that we need die hard abdes to justify their practises.

The less you debate the less distraction and the more abdes who have doubts or questions can visit e ite to seek guidance of how to stand up against the zadas oppressive regime.

Your commentary will not change our commitment , we do not buy your reasoning or excuses.

If I had my way I would ask the admin for a secure team room where validated members can participate across the globe to exchange ideas of how to put up feasible! Not just words, strategies to replace the administration.

[Al Zulfiqar]

... myself would begin by taking my own advice and refrain from any sort of religious debates.

good! practise taqqiya my son. thats the last resort of the scoundrel when he has run out of all logical arguments. hope that your fellow abdes will also heed your excellent advice and exercise "maun" like the jain muni's.

in fact you should tie a cloth across your mouth like they do. 1. flies will not get in when you open that mouth too wide, 2. it will spare others from that terrible halitosis you suffer from.

thanks for being such an understanding sort!

[progticide]

The less you debate the less distraction and the more abdes who have doubts or questions can visit e ite to seek guidance of how to stand up against the zadas oppressive regime.

And who would be giving the guidance...lost and misguided souls like you and Prof.Poo (Porus), and the great scholar Mubarak a.k.a. Doctor a.k.a Badrijanab?

Let me guess from where you would source this guidance in the first place???

Eureka! Eureka! Eureka!....The source of guidance would be Nizari Ismaiili websites.

[Maqbool]

While DBs are grieving at the loss of their fellow brethren, reformists are jumping with joy and jubilation at the slaughter of innocent mumineen. Why shouldn't they? Afterall, they don't like anything about DBs, neither their Dai, nor the Mansoos, nor the Amils, nor the majalis, nor the Niyaaz, nor the gatherings, nor the mournings, nor the matam, nor the beliefs, nor the knowledge, nor the titles, nor the doctrines, nor the sabaqs, nor the dress, nor the food, nor the administration, nor their namaaz, nor their literature, nor their donations, nor their obligations, nor their surroundings, nor their masjids, nor their history, nor their present, nor their devotion, nor their commitments, nor their social life, nor their cultural life, nor their charity, nor their devotional contributions, nor their men's topi, nor their women's Rida, nor their love for Prophets, nor their love for Imams, nor their love for Dais, nor their educational institutions, nor their hospitals, nor their jamaats, nor their mazaars. For someone who hate anything that has a DB-affiliation, the sense of joy and delight for them at the suffering of DBs is no surprise. Behind all the above rant and false show of sympathy, the huge smile and grin on your faces at the news of DB slaughter is ostensible.

I have already mentioned in the post above that this article is simply not meant for DB haters.

However, I am still sure that there are a few among the reformist who have understood the underlying message of the above article. If they have received the message, then my objective is served. They know what to do now.

For all others, continue with your usual crap.

After all, they don't like anything about DBs
Nor the loot by zadas, nor un Islamic practices, nor inhuman behaviors of priest class, nor celebrating lavish birth dates, ...........there are many

[ozmujaheed]

The less you debate the less distraction and the more abdes who have doubts or questions can visit e ite to seek guidance of how to stand up against the zadas oppressive regime.

And who would be giving the guidance...lost and misguided souls like you and Prof.Poo (Porus), and the great scholar Mubarak a.k.a. Doctor a.k.a Badrijanab?

Let me guess from where you would source this guidance in the first place???

Eureka! Eureka! Eureka!....The source of guidance would be Nizari Ismaiili websites.

Not one source only. And why do you need single sourced human guidance in every step after 1400 years. Give the grey matter a chance . That is the difference between being a human or sheep.