Help with ziarat in Cairo

[Ali_Hussain]

السلام عليكم
I've been trying to locate the grave of Muhammad bin abi bakr, altough I have the street name, I'm having trouble finding it, has anyone been there and can offer some advice on getting there?

The address I have is: Baab al-Wadaa'
I checked on google maps, it seems to be in a grave yard called: Baab al-Wazir, I was at the street called Baab al-Wazir, though no one had heard his grave.

Also, I have visited: sayeda Zaynab, sayeda A'isha, sayeda Nafisa, sayeda Ruqayya, sayed Ali bin Ja'far, sayeda Sukayna, are there any other members of the Ahl al-Bayt in Cairo? (I'm aware about sayeda Atika)

شكرا

[think]

you have done more than what most people do. some only go to ras ul hussain and after that the jamaat guide takes you to all the big mosques where thousands of dollars were spent by the dai on fancy lighting fixtures.. and yes you may also visit the dai;s residence in a posh neighbouhood where there are four servants all the time whether anyone is present or not. The servants are eygptians instead of the bohris.

[londonwala]

You can ask in the Faiz in Cairo, they are usually helpful. Or ask any of the faiz taxi drivers, or ask any of the older bohra families that live in Cairo, they should be able to tell you where Mohammed bin Abi Bakr is. Although it is a small ziyaret it is commonly done by bohra visitors and it is not far to get to.

All bohras do ziyaret of syeda Zainab, Nafisa and Ruqayyah in Cairo. I am not sure about Aisha, Ali bin Jafar, Sukayna and Atika. Who are these people and are bohras encouraged to do their ziyarets?

[ghulam muhammed]

Bro Ali-Hussain,

None of your ziarats will be accepted by Allah (swt) unless and until you please the Dai-in-waiting, Molai Mufaddal by doing the ziarat of his father-in-law Yusuf Najmuddin who was hacked to pieces by the land mafia of Egypt and who happens to be his father-in-law and even your ruku chithi will be considered as invalid by Allah (swt) if you don't perform this holy act.

[Ali_Hussain]

You can ask in the Faiz in Cairo, they are usually helpful. Or ask any of the faiz taxi drivers, or ask any of the older bohra families that live in Cairo, they should be able to tell you where Mohammed bin Abi Bakr is. Although it is a small ziyaret it is commonly done by bohra visitors and it is not far to get to.

All bohras do ziyaret of syeda Zainab, Nafisa and Ruqayyah in Cairo. I am not sure about Aisha, Ali bin Jafar, Sukayna and Atika. Who are these people and are bohras encouraged to do their ziyarets?

Thanks, I found it in the end, it is a five minute walk from the 'Mar Girgis' metro station, the mosque is called Masjid Muhammad al-Saghir.

A'isha and Ali are the children of Imam Ja'far (a), Sukayna is one of the daughters of Imam Husayn (a), Atika, supposedly is the aunt of the Prophet (s) and sister to Abdullah and Abu Talib, but on her grave it doesn't say she is the daughter of Abdul Muttalib.

[shapur]

Are you sure Imam Jafar 's daughter's name was Aisha ?? He was the 5th generation descendant of the prophet and must have been well aware of the politics played after the prophet's death- yet he chose to name his daughter after the "usurper's" daughter's name ! What does this imply ? From when did the unbridgeable gap and the bitterness creep in then and why ? So much so that its unthinkable to even make their mention let alone keep their names.

[Al Zulfiqar]

[quote="shapur"]Are you sure Imam Jafar 's daughter's name was Aisha ?? /quote]

did you know that among ali's sons were abubakar bin ali, usman bin ali and umar bin ali? and that they were among the 72 shohoda of kerbala? but their names are never mentioned by our rascal clergy. why?????

do our clergy consider ali stupid and are they insulting him and his memory by refusing to acknowledge the sacrifice of these 3 sons of his?

[shapur]

Are you sure Imam Jafar 's daughter's name was Aisha ?? /quote]

did you know that among ali's sons were abubakar bin ali, usman bin ali and umar bin ali? and that they were among the 72 shohoda of kerbala?

Frankly, I did'nt know that. Its hard to digest that this is not dished out just because of the names ! That makes the angle of history which delves into the stand/mood of the early shia imamate vis-a-vis 1/2/3 merit more research.

[pheonix]

Frankly, I did'nt know that. Its hard to digest that this is not dished out just because of the names ! That makes the angle of history which delves into the stand/mood of the early shia imamate vis-a-vis 1/2/3 merit more research.

There was only usman bin Ali (brother of Abbas), who is mentioned. There certainly was no abubakar or umar.

[sifyboy26]

The First Imam’s Children


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As for the claim Imam Ali (عليه السلام) named all his sons after beloved ones (e.g. Jafar after Jafar Al-Tayyar (عليه السلام)) this is not always the case as indicated by the example of Aun Ibn Ali (رضي الله عنه).

Rayat seems to be very desperate here, as he picks the only one of eighteen of Ali’s sons who was not named after a beloved one. Let us examine the list of Ali’s sons:
1. Muhammad ibn al-Hanafia
2. Muhammad al-Asghar
3. Muhammad il-Awsat
4. Abbas “abul-fazil”
5. Abbas al-Asghar
6. Jafar al-Akbar
7. Jafar al-Assghar
8. Abdullah il-Asghar
9. Abdullah il-Akbar
10. Abdullah “Abi Ali”
11. Uthman al-Asghar
12. Uthman al-Akbar
13. Umar al-Akbar
14. Umar al-Asghar.
15. Abu Bakr ibn Ali
16. Al-Hasan
17. Al-Hussain
18. Awn
Is it all coincidence that Ali named the majority of his sons with duplicate names, with names of family and companions? Fourteen of the eighteen sons are named in either duplicate or triplicate. This was not random! It would be an astronomical coincidence. If Ali’s naming scheme was random, why can we not find other common names of Arabia? Like Obaid, Zuhayr, Zubayr, Sufyan, Bilal, Amr, Yasir, Miqdad, Abu Dhar, Faris, Abdul-Rahman, Abdul, and any other of the hundreds of names…Indeed, we see that when a person names multiple sons with the same name, then this becomes clear that it is because he reveres the namesake.

The Second Imam’s Children
In fact, the descendants of Ahlel Bayt were known for the fact that they most times chose names for their children based on revered and respected figures of the past. For example, let us look at the list of Imam Hasan’s children, as found in Shaykh Mufid’s book (Kitab al-Irshad, pp.289-290):

1. Zayd
2. Qasim
3. Abdullah
4. Umm Abdullah
(all are names of the Prophet’s sons)
5. Ruqayya
6. Fatima
7. Fatima
(all are names of the Prophet’s daughters)
8. Umm Salama
(name of the Prophet’s wife)
9. Umm al-Hasan
10. Umm al-Husayn
11. Hasan
12. Husayn
(all are names of Prophet’s grandsons)
13. Talha
(This child’s mother was Umm Ishaq, the daughter of Talha ibn Ubayd-Allah; in other words, this child too was named after his grandfather, keeping in line with the idea that the Ahlel Bayt named their family after loved ones and revered personas.)
14. Abdur-Rahman
15. Umar
(the names of the Ashara Mubash Shararah, i.e. the ten highest ranking of the Sahabah who were promised Paradise)

The Third Imam’s Children
The third Imam of the Shia, Husayn ibn Ali, named his children as follows (Kitab al-Irshad, p.379):
1. Ali
2. Ali
(Are the Shia perplexed as to whom these two sons were named after?)
3. Fatima
(the name of the Prophet’s daughter)
4. Abdullah
5. Abdullah
6. Abdullah
(the name of the Prophet’s son)
7. Sukayna
8. Abbas
(the name of the Prophet’s uncle)
9. Abu Bakr
10. Uthman
(the name of the second and third Caliph)

The Fourth Imam’s Children
The fourth Imam of the Shia named his children as follows (Kitab al-Irshad, p.391):
1. Muhammad
2. Hasan
3. Husayn
4. Husayn
5. Ali
(Any question as to whom these children were named after?)
6. Abdullah
7. Zayd
(the name of the Prophet’s children)
8. Umar
9. Abdur-Rahman
(the names of the Ashara Mubash Shararah, i.e. the ten highest ranking of the Sahabah who were promised Paradise)
10. Sulayman
(a Prophet’s name)

The Fifth Imam’s Children
We read the names of the fifth Imam’s children, according to Shaykh Mufid’s book (Kitab al-Irshad, p.406):
1. Abu Abdullah
2. Abdullah
(the name of the Prophet’s son)
3. Ibrahim
(a Prophet’s name)
4. Ubayd-Allah
(the name of the Prophet’s cousin, i.e. Ubayd-Allah ibn Abbas)
5. Ali
(the name of the Prophet’s cousin)
6. Zaynab
(the name of the Prophet’s daughter)
7. Umm Salama
(the name of the Prophet’s wife)

The Sixth Imam’s Children

And let us now look at the names of Imam Jafar’s children, i.e. the sixth Imam of the Shia (Kitab al-Irshad, p.430):
1. Abdullah
(the name of the Prophet’s son)
2. Abbas
(the name of the Prophet’s uncle)
3. Ali
(the name of the Prophet’s cousin)
4. Fatima
(the name of the Prophet’s granddaughter)
5. Muhammad
(the Prophet’s name)
6. Ismaeel
7. Ishaq
8. Moosa
(names of Prophets…is there any doubt in that when one is named Ismaeel and the other Ishaq?)
9. Umm Farwa
(Imam Jafar named his daughter Umm Farwa after his own mother whose name was Umm Farwa as well. Do the Shia propagandists not see how the Imams of Ahlel Bayt named their children after their loved ones? It should be noted that Umm Farwa was the daughter of Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr who was, according to Sunni and Shia alike, a very close friend of Ali ibn Abi Talib.)
10. Asma
(Named after the famous Asma bint Umays, who was in fact the mother of that same Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr, i.e. Umm Farwa’s grandmother. The Shia reader would be reminded that this Asma bin Umays is the same who married Jafar ibn Abi Talib as well as Ali ibn Abi Talib.)

The Seventh Imam’s Children
The seventh Imam of the Shia (Imam al-Kadhim) named his children as follows (Kitab al-Irshad, pp.457-458):
1. Ali
2. Aliyya (feminine version of Ali)
3. Jafar
4. Umm Jafar
5. Ubayd-Allah (after Ubayd-Allah ibn Abbas)
(the names of the Prophet’s cousins)
6. Hasan
7. Hasan
8. Hasana (feminine version of Hasan)
9. Husayn
(the names of Prophet’s grandsons)
10. Umm Kulthoom
11. Zaynab
12. Ruqayya
13. Ruqayya the younger
14. Fatima
15. Fatima the younger
16. Umm Abeeha (Fatima’s famous epithet)
17. Zayd
18. Abdullah
19. Qasim
(the names of the Prophet’s children)
20. Abbas
21. Hamza
(the names of Prophet’s uncles)
22. Hakeema
23. Muhammad
24. Ahmad
(the Prophet’s name)
25. Khadija
26. Aisha
27. Umm Salama
28. Maymoona
(the names of the Prophet’s wives)
29. Amina
(the name of Prophet’s mother)
30. Burayha
(Imam al-Kadhim named this son after his companion Burayha, a man who had converted at Imam al-Kadhim’s own hands. The reader should refer to Lesson 19 of “The Question Of Imamate” by Sayyid Mujtaba Musavi Lari available on [not allowed])
31. Fadl (the name of Ibn Abbas’s brother whom the Shia claim supported Ali over Abu Bakr)
32. Lubaaba (name of Fadl and Ibn Abbas’s mother)
33. Ibrahim
34. Ismaeel
35. Haroon
36. Ishaq
37. Sulayman
(names of Prophets)

The Eighth Imam’s Children
The eighth Imam of the Shia, Ali ibn Musa al-Rida, had only one son and his name was Muhammad. (Kitab al-Irshad, p.479) Once again, we tease the Shia: who was this Imam naming his child after? Was it Prophet Muhammad, or could we use the argument that “Muhammad” was such a common name that it doesn’t necessarily mean that it was after the Prophet? Truly this would be a laughable argument, so why do the Shia propagandists further it with the names of the Three Caliphs?

The Ninth Imam’s Children
The ninth Imam of the Shia, Imam Muhammad ibn Ali al-Jawad, had four children according to Shaykh Mufid (Kitab al-Irshad, p.495):
1. Ali
2. Moosa
3. Fatima
4. Imaama
Other than the name Imaama, we see the same names popping up again and again and again! Surely this is not all coincidence! Lightning is striking a dozen times for the Shia!

The Tenth Imam’s Children

As for the tenth Imam of the Shia, he named his children with the following names (Kitab al-Irshad, p.506):
1. Hasan
2. Husayn
3. Muhammad
4. Jafar
5. Aisha
Is it not interesting that the Shia would laugh at us if we said that Hasan was not named after the second Imam, or if we said that Husayn was not named after the third Imam, or if we say that Muhammad was not named after the Prophet, or if we said a similar thing about the name Jafar? Why is it then that suddenly the Shia becomes blinded when he sees the last name in the list and suddenly it is “just chance.” Subhan-Allah the Shia only fool themselves! It is very clear that this Imam of the Shia was naming all his children after the elite Sahabah and heroes of Islam! The only confusion is in the eyes of the Shia who have to sit in their rooms and start thinking up colorful explanations to explain away the facts on the ground.

The Eleventh Imam’s Children

As for the eleventh Imam of the Shia, the Shia say that he had a son named Muhammad. Once again, shall we claim that this is just a coincidence and use arguments such as “back then people didn’t think of the Prophet when they heard the name Muhammad?”

We see that all of the Imams of the Shia named their children after the heroes of Islam. We see the names popping up again and again: Hasan, Husayn, Abbas, Abdullah, Qasim, Jafar, Muhammad, etc. In fact, according to Shaykh Mufid’s book, we find that over 90% of the children of the Imams of Ahlel Bayt were named after revered and respected Sahabah.

This is an undeniable pattern; when the Imams would name their children as Abu Bakr, Umar, or Uthman, it is highly more likely that they did this after the heroes of Islam instead of simply by chance.