Scandal in Ujjain

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S. Insaf
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Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:19 pm

Scandal in Ujjain
A person gave mobile phone to a Bohra boy, for repairing. During fixing, boy observed some nude and juicy pictures of a Bohra girl on the phone. He shared it with other Bohra boys, and tried to blackmail the girl. Without understanding the gravity of the issue, the Bohra girl reported to police; those boys were arrested. Further investigation revealed influential Amils and Miyasahebs from Surat and Mumbai and a grandson of Burhanuddin Mola involved with this girl.
It is alleged 10 -14 other girls were visiting Mumbai and Surat for entertaining above guys; in return their families received Qardan Hasana without any security of gold; they also received other financial benefits and Izzat Afzai.
As soon as this news reached Mumbai, there was a tumult. Ujjain Amils and Jamat were ordered to push hard withdrawing the case (FIR) booked under information and technology act, and get those boys released on bail at ANY COST.
Kothar's might succeeded limiting the damage in media. However, those pictures became ubiquitous on Bohra mobile phones. It has become talk of the town.
Mansoos Mufaddal Mola, wants to ban Bohra girls working outside home.
Mola! call centers muft meiN bad-nam haiN
Aaj kal, aap ke Kothar mein kya nahiN hota!

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AMAFHH
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by AMAFHH » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:59 am

Brother .insaf
can we have some more Info to see upto what Extent this News is True, as speaking this in front of many bohra's will require some hard Proof

humble_servant_us
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by humble_servant_us » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:24 am

This information is twisted and corrupted. Should not be shared with others because it lacks truth.

Bohra spring
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:01 am

humble_servant_us wrote:This information is twisted and corrupted. Should not be shared with others because it lacks truth.
How did you establish it is untruthful ?

Lack of evidence does not mean no activity occurred. Suspicion is sufficient grounds for investigations if there are leads and probable cause.

Don't mix alleged with guilt. Without strong defensive argument we can still discuss the alleged scandal.

Now why would the scandal not exist in an environment of excess, corruption, wealth, lack of accountability , public control over office bearers, etc. I would suspect the highest office bearer male or female to be susceptible to any form of scandal or mischief.

Sadly even if it is proven what will it change, the slaves still need a master even if he them tape them!

asad
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by asad » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:12 am

humble_servant_us wrote:This information is twisted and corrupted. Should not be shared with others because it lacks truth.

What is the untwisted true version than?

SBM
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:36 am

humble_servant_us"]
This information is twisted and corrupted. Should not be shared with others because it lacks truth
Seems like as per your quote there is SOME SMOKE so there has to be a SMALL FIRE so please provide the small truthful uncorrupted version

blue
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by blue » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:34 am

in this type of cases how one can provide the proof? except loading those pics which could be not in good taste, even than somebody will say it is doctored. however below is the link to the news item from where all these started:---
http://epaper.bhaskar.com/detail/?id=40 ... view=image

Deerseye
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by Deerseye » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:55 am

Pls correct me if I am wrong Mr Blue, but I think the report in dainik bhaskar is regarding some different matter, this case seems to be about couples who went on vacation to Goa, and the case referred to by you initially is different???

blue
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by blue » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:27 am

well , this case led to other. and some of the character were involved in above case also.

humble_servant_us
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by humble_servant_us » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:50 am

The version presented by S. Insaf and link on dainik bhaskar are same (to the best of my knowledge).

Deerseye
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by Deerseye » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:11 am

On further inquiry I have learnt that the case of couples visiting Goa is totally different from the scandal involving bohra girls of ujjain. These girls had sent their nude pics to many of their male clients, one person decided to blackmail them. The concerned girl complained to the police, on further investigation it was found that the girl was corrupt and had links with many people in Kothar. There was hue and cry in mumbai which led to instant hushing of matter in ujjain. Whereas the Goa case is just a simple matter. Four couples went to Goa , and their fun pics of beaches and dance were made public by the mobile repairer.

Deerseye
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by Deerseye » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:20 am

Both the cases are being wrongly confused. Pics of the couples are with everyone in ujjain. But it would be wrong to put them on this forum and the pics of bohra girls are only with the cyber police and male clients and a few people who helped ujjain Amil to silence this matter.

Bohra spring
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Re: Scandal in Ujjain

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:30 am

Why is it so interesting to see nude Bohra girls? Come on grow up pics of Bohra couple on the beach are private matters and of no concern. Who cares . As if men on these blogs don't go to the beach and not notice other bikini clad women.

While the bohra girls sending their photos to male clients sounds like prostition . Which for non bohras girls if they choose willingly is not my business iand for whatever gain. However being Bohra should be concerned it is a punishable adultery offence by shariat. So they have sinned big time and are destroying marriages through their trade . They then carry the risk of illicit children and diseases . But again this is not the biggest issue for the reform movement. If they are doing it for desperate financial reasons , how big is the issue in India and Pakistan ? But again in well ff nations too there is prostitution and unlikely to be eradicated, some like the lifestyle if it is paying well above the minimum wage .

The issue here is the Amils and Zadas who receive services of pleasure , which is adultery and in their position is absolutely a scandal and the conclusion should be termination of their position , and punishment . I would caution their wives to be mindful the husbands could transmit sexually transmitted diseases that can kill families.

Can we at least exposé which officials were involved as that is the reform interest.