Exorbitant Sabil forced on Canada Mumin by Jamat

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Exorbitant Sabil forced on Canada Mumin by Jamat

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Unread post by mbohra » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:33 pm

Original Message -----
From: malumat muminat
To: malumat muminat
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:47 PM
Subject: Exorbitant Sabil forced on Canada Mumin by Jamat Members.

TO ALL DAWODI BOHRAS (ESPECIALLY ONTARIO) MUMINS IN CANADA



PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL CANADA DAWODI BOHRA MUMINS IN CANADA



Year 2008 is predicted with recession and inflation for Canada mumin with high cost of living seen. Already as at today 7 mumin lost their jobs, there are mumin working at $14/hr, others struggling on part-time jobs, some with two jobs on hand. More layoffs are expected.



We are a group of families who love our Sayedna, but refuse the suppression and harassment by the jamat members on mumin. We request your cooperation and unity to contact individually your amel and demand the unfair Sabil forced by jamat members on us. How do they judge who pays what, what is their source?



We don’t want to show our tempers like the Rajputs did in Banswada or incidents in Mombasa and Tanzania. Let us tell the amel these jamat members are exploitive and we reject to talk in their presence who undermine our tolerance.



You may find the below shocking and bitter but it is Sad and True: You will finally agree yes” being experienced in your home too:



Mumin family is fed through Food Bank.

Mumin family is depending on social assistance.

Mumin has been to women shelters for abuse.

Mumin has been convicted for pilfering and theft crime.

Mumin married woman having an affair to feed her family.

Mumin teenagers leave homes due to community conflicts with parents and are in youth homes.

Mumin father has been charged for family violence.

Mumin family has declared bankruptcy due to debts.

Mumin woman has attempted suicide due to depression.

Nearly 80% mumin are on mortgage and interest.

Mumin whose properties are paid off was also on mortgage.

Mumin young girl oppressed and isolated sells her body to meet her personal ends.



See around you many mumin married to non-bohras, caucasians, hindus, ismailis are they blamed they fell in love, so where was the missing link? As parents wasn’t it painful for us.



Read what a mother has to say: We forced our son to marry a Sheikhs daughter, on the pressure of the Amel a mass wholesale marriage was performed. My son already loved somebody of his choice, but my husband insisted the girl was a khandani. It turned out the girl did not behave khandhan nor had characters of her fathers sheikhood. Signs are showing after few years my son is not happy and the relationship will soon end. My son confessed to me he is secretly visiting the girl he loves. I now regret very much of the marriage, the girl he sees now respects me very much who is neither a sheikhs daughter or has a rich khandhan.



The hardest news is in the last two decades about 32 families, (Yes thirty two families) have left the community say four in a family means 128 mumin and 27 youngsters (Yes twenty seven) left the community, who don’t attend at all, but whose parents are still in the community coming with desperation. Not denied, they are our own relatives, friends and children.



Let us ask ourselves a question is this why we came to the land of opportunity, for the education and future of our children with the support of our amel and jamat members. Where is our counseling assistance, where do our desperate women and children go for help?



We received below feedback from frustrated mumins:



Toronto: The jamat members are imposing hugh amounts with threats. Let us also say "NO" to these suppresion and threats of we don't pay this money, we will not be allowed in the mosque or denied jaman, misak, nikah participation. Let us not remain silent due to fear of social-boycott and our own safety, let us confront the jamat members with words aggressively.



Edmonton: terrible jamat members biased, who use funds in the pretext of Karzan Hasana. Sabil and other payments are a serious issue they are losing patience demanding fairness. You will be surprised a young woman here cannot afford menstrual pads.



Vancover- Drastic complains by members who are enforced with Sabil, who were happy without amel, frustrated they are watching the situation. families are breaking and youngsters leaving fed up with the levies. Jamat members have started chamcagiri to amel, but soon backfire on them.



Calgery: jamat members are worst, Markaz collections of a million dollars vanished. two treasures resigned. Amel stays in mansion/car like a lord, jamat members live in luxurious houses of million dollars who should be questioned and accountable for the funds. Sabil is outrageous.



Ottawa: The jamat members smile at you but stab you from behind the amel is ignorant and goes with big shots. Sabil is not much concern as everyone here is loaded. Only Students are the most suffering with burden of loans.



Montreal and other areas: Few but no charm seen in the community running around like machines and displaced. Teenagers most effected and lost.






Per Year
Full Cost

Based on Ontario couples gross maximum income say Husband 50K and wife 40K with two children over 18 years dependant on parents lowest expenditures.


90,000.00








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Personal Tax lowest net of child, GST, allowances and credits
20%

(18,000.00)


Mortgage, Rent for a 3 bed house
3000

(36,000.00)


Maintenance, home ins, fixtures furniture, linens, etc
200

(2,400.00)


Utilities, Cable, cellphone,etc
500

(6,000.00)


Food, Groceriess- Most Critical
1000

(12,000.00)


Vehicle-car payments, fuel, maintenance, licence insurance,etc-Necessity
700

(9,600.00)


Clothings, personal care items for 4 people
150

(1,800.00)


Bus passes and tickets for family-passes@$109 and tickets at $50 each for 4 people
310

(3,720.00)


Couples student loan repayments when immigrated to Canada for upgrading and getting Canadian certification. Actual $196+$291(includes interest) taken for both (The same cycle will apply to our children who are currently on student loan, some parents are paying for their kids, but the rest the burden is on them to pay)
487

(5,844.00)


School supplies, fees, school programs-2 kids
100

(1,200.00)


Professional dues memberships for 4 people
50

(600.00)


Out of pocket medical not paid by company insurance, optical, patients dental charge, off the counter medicine
200

(2,400.00)


Sayedna emphasis be loyal to your country and neighbours-consider christmas gifts, charities, birthdays for our childrens friends, political donations.
75

(900.00)


Summer/Winter breaks for 4 people


(1,000.00)


Sports, recreation membership, community social activities for the family
100

(1,200.00)


Savings for 1st childs marriage-not considering jewellary and travel expense.
300
After 10yrs
(3,600.00)
36000

Savings for 2nd childs marriage-not considering jewellary and travel expense.
300
After 10yrs
(3,600.00)
36000

Wajibaat, include zakat(2.5% on income and assets = 2,250K)taken on gross salary only


(2,250.00)


Provide for Ashara opportunity with Sayedna-4 people-cost of air fares only
100
After 10yrs
(1,200.00)
12000

Provide for Haj opportunity-4 people-cost of air fares only
100
After 10yrs
(1,200.00)
12000

Provide for India Ziayarat umid-4 people-cost of air fares only
100
After 10yrs
(1,200.00)
12000

Provide for Yemen-Iraq umid-4 people-cost of air fares only
100
After 10yrs
(1,200.00)
12000

Provide for Minat Daris opportunity
50
After 3yrs
(600.00)
1800

Salaams, Jamaan, other community incentives
75

(900.00)


Salaams, assistance to family in pakistan, india, africa
50

(600.00)


Other unexpected-Death in family, legal, loss


(1,200.00)


Miscellanous, graduation, etc


(1,200.00)








SABILL


(752.00)








What about Eid and other salaams for children & wife?


?


What about allowance for the wife and children?


?


What about expenses which only know yourself which is not included for your family and others?


?








Over Expenditures


(32,166.00)









NOW WE LEAVE IT ON YOU TO SACRICE EXPENDITURES-WE ARE SAYING SABIL OF $752 IS VERY HIGH - HOW CAN A SINGLE EARNER WITH 3-5 kids SURVIVE. HOW MUCH MAXIMUM YOU CAN EARN IN CANADA? AVERAGE CANADIAN SALARY IS $47K ARE THERE PEOPLE WITH 100K, 140K, 180K? JUDGE YOURSELF.



This communication is intended ONLY for Dawoodi Bohras mumins and not to be forwarded to the press, Sarkar or non bohras. Thank you for your attention and cooperation.

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Re: Exorbitant Sabil forced on Canada Mumin by Jamat

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Unread post by mumin » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:46 am

I guess you found out the hard way that this is a corrupt regime. Many such jamats in the south eastern united states are in the same boat. many bohris have married into good character hindu, shia and khoja girls. as a matter of fact one of the secretaries of a jamat bordering alabama is married to a khoja girl. This jamat secretary thinks this is a private club and is forcing everyone to pay big money. And ofcourse there is no accountability. At one time huge amounts in the name of units to build masjid were collected,but nothing has happened and where is this huge amount vanished, no one dare to ask. The jamat members are a bunch of looters enjoying their spoils. Very few people attend anyway. Those with little children say they do not want to participate but have to because of the children. Some are not hypocritic. They have left the jamat and made many good friends,attending shia majalises and enjoying life in these united states. Their children also learn how to read quran etc from a shia mualim and have more religious knowledge then just reciting

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Re: Exorbitant Sabil forced on Canada Mumin by Jamat

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Unread post by mbohra » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:52 pm

NEW SABIL IN CALGARY, Alberta CANADA ILAAN JANUARY 2008

CATEGORY A ----$3000
B___ $2552
C-----$2000
D-----$1352

ABH BAKI JOH BECHA WOH AMEEL KA SALAAM MAAR JAYA

ek hame income tax maar gaye,
doosri vat/gst.pst* maar gaye
teesri hamesha ki tanhai maar gayi.....
aur baki jo bacha to aamil ki sabil maar gayi....

sabar karo, 'kothari log' aapke liye jannat mei real estate kharid denge...
aur category 'Z' mei kitna honge ?!

*gst is Federal goods and services tax
*pst is Provincial sales tax (where applicable)