Agreed.mustafanalwalla wrote: So i guess its extremely subjective.
And agreed.mustafanalwalla wrote: So, lets move on. Ok?
Agreed.mustafanalwalla wrote: So i guess its extremely subjective.
And agreed.mustafanalwalla wrote: So, lets move on. Ok?
Although a highly subjective situation, but we know what happens in reality with regards to salaam deemed as voluntary. Haven’t we come across instructions by side kicks how much to put in the covers for salaams !! and Fixing minimum units for Najwa !!but salaams are purely voluntarily.
>> Did you know that a Bohri was a pioneer of development of Bombay. read article below:
> SALEBHOY KARAMJI BARODAWALLA ( A Dawoodi Bohra Icon)
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> Sheriff of Bombay, 1926-27, Landlord and Businessman; Chairman (twice) Improvement Committee of Municipal Corporation, Bombay, 1935, Born 1884, son of Karimji Allibhoy M. Karimji Allibhoy was a landlord and Financer and Partner of M/s. Balkrishna and Curimji Contractors who constructed the Victoria Terminus, Bombay Municipality, Army & Navy Building (twice) Whiteway Laidlaw Building, Anjuman-i-Islam School Building, Churchgate Station Bldg, Salvation Army Building (Fort), his own buildings and various mills, Falak Numa Palace (Hyderabad) and Bezwada Railway, Hyderabad Deccan, Dewan’s Office, Kaiser Baug & Palace, Civil Secretariat, Palaces for His Exalted Highness Hyderabad, Basni Baug Palace of Vik-ul, Uma of Hyderabad, laying of water pipes and building filter beds for the whole of Hyderabad City, Jail and other buildings in Baroda, etc. including the Palace. Also constructed the Railway Track from Baroda to Ahmedabad and various Bridges from Bombay to Baroda, Hyderabad and Bezwada.
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> Was elected in 1907 to Bombay Municipal Corporation and retained the seat for over 31 Years. Member standing Committee of the Corporation for more than nine years and its Chairman, 1916-17, was made J. P. and Honorary Presidency Magistrate, 1908.
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> During the Great World War was responsible for getting about 30 lacs subscribed by his community towards the War Loans without interest was solely responsible in inducing the Government to issue War Loans bearing endorsement “Without Interest”, was more than once Chairman Entertainment Committee for British and Indian Soldiers. At his own expense got a temporary theatre built at Marine Lines for the enjoyment of grounded soldiers. Was awarded Certificates of Merits and was recipient of the Voluntary and General Service Medal 1914-1918 from the Commander-in-Chief. Was mentioned twice in the dispatches during the War, was Capitan of Merit and Cups for marksmanship in the Rifle Shooting.
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> Member of the Bombay Board of Film Censors from 1919-1937; acted for short time as Secretary and President. Chairman, Markets and Garden Committees 1923-34,,Member of the Food and Other Commodity , Committees for B, C and E wards and its Chairman 1914-18. Member of the Law, Revenue and General Purpose Committees and its Chairman. Member of the Doorways and Telephone Committed and its Chairman. Member of the Improvement Trust Board and twice its Chairman 1934 to 1936.
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> Nominated Member, Bombay Legislative Council, 1916-1921. Elected Member Legislative Assembly, 120-23; Vice President and President, All India Muslim Federation from 1926 and Further President All India Hedja Conference 1926. President, All India Muslim Education Conference, Malagam and Surat, 18th April 1917.
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> Regular player in Lord Sydneham’s Cricket Eleven. One time held the All India Lawn Tennis Championship and several times at Islam Gymkhana. Had obtained several times swimming and other indoor and outdoor games Championship prizes. Had the honour of performing the unveiling ceremony of the portraits of Their Excellencies Lord and Lady Willingdon at Viceregal House, 29th March 1933 New Delhi. Was awarded Royal Silver Jubilee Medal, 1935.
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> Founder and Director of The Bombay Chronicle along with the late Sir. Pherozshah Mehta, Kt. It is mentioned in the book published by the Chronicle some years ago. At the request of late Sir Pherozshah Mehta who along with Mr. B. Horniman, Editor of the Chronicle.
Nalwalla if the people on this forum (die hard Regressive) do not approve of your stand regarding corruption how do you think the Kothari Goons and Aamils will even listen to people who go and complain and ask for help and other things?Some of the more vocal members on our side here to not approve of the stand that people like Stranger, Human being and I take, but that is because.... well, i dont know why!
Do you understand the difference between 'free will" and "compulsion (majboori)" ? Take the recent example of the dai's recent visit to pune where there were daily qadambosis with an average turnout of around 5000 people. He was seated on his throne and there were seperate queues for ladies/gents i.e. the queue reaching his right foot was of gents and the left one for ladies. Abdes could only manage to kiss his feet and the charges were Rs.5,200/- per head. I agree that many abdes gave the amount voluntarily but there were even poor abdes who had the khwahish of doing qadambosi and had to COMPULSARILY pay Rs.5,200/-, an amount which is enough to take care of their monthly expense. Moreover, have you ANYTIME seen the salam amount "not specified" i.e. has it been told that one has to do salams, the amount not specified ????mustafanalwalla wrote:all the fat salaams that the reformist community keeps talking about, well, peope have made it with their own free will.
and all that happend because of our shafiq bawa TUS duas and wasila, all these people are our shafiq bawa's adna ghulam and our because of his dua and ehsan our community is prospering and doing good May our shafiq bawa TUS and his mansoos syedi wa moulai Muffadal bs TUS live ta qayamat and help with the prosperity of our community. remembers it is our shafiq bawa TUS who gave raza to organize trade fair in mumbai too.bohraji wrote:Adding my bit to SBM's post.
Bohras pioneered the canning/food preserve industry in India ( Mala's).Bohras pioneered indegeneous cosmetics ( E.S. Patan Wala of Afghan Snow ).Bohras pioneerd paints industry ( Bombay Paints ). The pioneers of appartment hotels in the gulf are the Dadabhai's ,another dawoodi Bohra family.One of the earliest and largest poultry farm in Mahrashtra belongs to Dawoodi Bohras (Karachiwala's) Even the major shipchandlers have been dawoodi bohras.C J of India, Justice Miya Bhai was a dawoodi Bohra as well He was also from Ahmedabad and on good terms with The late sayedna. Infact at a party in Surat where all the zaadas were present.The then Sayedna asked Justice Miya Bhai to mingle with his sons and find out who is the smartest.After the party Justice Miya Bhai told him YN! A prominent professor was hired from a top university and NY's education began at home.The Profesor was able to finish his lob in a year and told Sayedna Taher Saifuddin that his job is done as YN was very smart. This story is well known in Ahmedabad.
@Bohraji,bohraji wrote:Seconding SBM's post.
Where are the othos gon?
Are we as a community reduced to shouting laanats only. Did not Mola ALi gave all the money he had to a poor person even though his family was starving? Why is that the othos are quiet on this subject?
Did not Imam Zainal Abedin go out in the dark of night with a bag of food and fed the hungry? Just look around amongst our own people.Yu will find poor young people who cannot get married because they are not rich enough. Just inqire about a bohra asking for alms near a roza and you will know that he has hungry children at home.Next time you buy an expensive attar to put on a mazaar,just look at the steps of the roza.Thre will be an old widow sitting ,her dark rida a stark contrast to the whiter than white marble of the masoleum.The amount you paid for the attar could have bought her the medicines that she badly needs.However we beleive that her dirty clothes have blended with her white surroundings and she was invisible to our eyes.
Let us open the eyes of our souls instead.Try to help a dsititute today.Look around in the Jamaat Khana the next time.There will be a thaal of the outcasts.They are shown no respect as they cannot afford shiny topis.The next time you have a jaman done ,please make sure that you invite atleats one such person.try to cut down an extra Kharas and extra mithai.And instead do a sadaqa of the same amount of money.Perhaps a child will be able to buy a uniform and will not be ridiculed at school.Stop doing the monthly,pehli tarikh salaam to your amil,instead buy a pencil box and give it to a poor child.The Amil has his food taken care of and is being his wazifa,the salaams should be a token amount only.
Let our faces shine on the day of Judgement and proclaim proudly to Allah,and say ,yes , I did try to live like Ali. As brother SBM told me,let us help one person,one family at a time.Let us rather give one chappati to a living hungry child then a rose on the grave of a dead loved one.
Br, Aqs-Mustafa-HB and BohrajiWhat Bohraji is saying does strike a chord somewhere.
The next time i decide to put money in the galla, i think i will give it to a poor person. And the next time i take my son to mc donalds, i shall make sure i buy atleast 2 small burgers for the kids outside.
He is right, we need to change ourselves first, then the community, then the nation and then the world.
Thank you Bohraji, your words have opened my eyes...
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What you are saying is very true but it is not the within the scope of these small group of people from both side of spectrum who are trying to help one person or one family at a time. Eradication of poverty requires lot of efforts with NGOs Remember India's famous political slogan GHARIBI HATAAO all it did was remove the Ghaarib.Eradicating poverty is more important than giving handouts, $1 sadaqa when visiting a roza will not eradicate poverty. It may benefit the giver by emotional satisfaction.
Count me too with you, I send you PM, Please reply to itbohraji wrote:Thank you SBM bhai,
Even I am of the ortho fold.It was just this kind of cold response from my ortho friends that prompted me to write on this forum. Uptill now 3 people have shown the desire to help and have sent personal messages to me.One will be sending me the money today and he has promised to contribute every month.
Mashallah, people are coming forward to help and I pray that more start doing such things at their own level in the cities and towns that they live or where there watan is.
Do not the readers find it pathetic that none of my fellow orthos/abdes named by SBM have responded? I can give you direct contacts of the needy and you can help there directly.Your identity will remain a secret as you can contribute to the one in need directly.Please come forward and help,a fellow mumin needs medicine,a mumin child needs tuition fees,a sick widow needs medicine,an old man needs clothes, an invalid needs medical attention.Yes they are all bohras in the ortho fold.
I hope someone will respond today and send a PM either to me or SBM.
You can do it,be the change.
Bohrajibohraji wrote:Thank you SBM bhai,
Even I am of the ortho fold.It was just this kind of cold response from my ortho friends that prompted me to write on this forum. Uptill now 3 people have shown the desire to help and have sent personal messages to me.One will be sending me the money today and he has promised to contribute every month.
Mashallah, people are coming forward to help and I pray that more start doing such things at their own level in the cities and towns that they live or where there watan is.
Do not the readers find it pathetic that none of my fellow orthos/abdes named by SBM have responded? I can give you direct contacts of the needy and you can help there directly.Your identity will remain a secret as you can contribute to the one in need directly.Please come forward and help,a fellow mumin needs medicine,a mumin child needs tuition fees,a sick widow needs medicine,an old man needs clothes, an invalid needs medical attention.Yes they are all bohras in the ortho fold.
I hope someone will respond today and send a PM either to me or SBM.
You can do it,be the change.